Hey well maybe that would have been a good consideration to make before tying themselves to the outcome by tacitly (and directly) supporting Russia for profit in the first place. When your fortune is dependent on the eradication of millions of people, by choice, you deserve to lose, and can go kick rocks for all I care. Slava Ukraine.
kyivindependent is a disinformation platform
How so?
I can’t really confirm it’s complete disinformation, but they always post stories that case Ukraine in a positive light and a lot of them are never confirmed or repeated elsewhere.
They are at war for their existence as a nation, so some of that is to be expected.
Can you do me a favor and come back with proof and sources I’d love to not believe in lies but I need evidence and honestly this makes sense to me. China is helping Russia, whether that’s for their benefits or what benefits exactly is unclear to me. So this seems true.
Oh cool, a Russian shill. Fuck straight off.
Newspaper created just before the invasion, no physical copy, only posting online. Only through English, consumed primarily through American Online platforms and now has a presence on the fediverse. Nah mate, I’m not an Orc, I’m just not blind.
Not just Beijing.
Ahh, so Trump gets his orders from the Chinoruskie empire…
Short notice that kyivindependent.com is certainly not neutral on this.
It’s being reported by other outlets like the CNN and the South China Morning Post.
TACO boy is playing right into the hands of Russia and China like a four year old wanting personal fame and profit.
I mean, yeah. Russia has been a Chinese vassal state since Covid.
Before they invaded Ukraine the 2nd time they had a fearsome reputation militarily and they had some goodwill in Europe (misplaced, but they were seen as misunderstood, not fascists), they had surplus resources to help their allies in Syria, Iran, etc and their weapons sold all over the world, so they were not a vassal state of China, they had lots of options economically, politically, militarily and were free to move about money/spies/etc. Now they have much less options…but maybe tramp will give them some in exchange for nothing…
China has chosen to be the enemy the west and rules based order then.
tramp has chosen to be the enemy of the west and the rules based order, China’s just been having a wonderful time flying under the cover of the daily orange meltdown since the clown show started.
PS: they don’t even have to do anything, they just have to point at trump and say “democracy, you mean THAT?” And they’ll be using it as evidence against the “chaos of democracy” worldwide.
rules based order
The rules based order is allowing genocide to happen in Gaza.
UN Security Council resolutions have demanded Hamas release the hostages taken. This has been ignored by Hamas and thus provided Israel with a reason to continue the war.
The thread is about Ukraine. I am all for the genocide in Gaza to stop but can you try not to hijack any post about every other conflict?
It’s not exactly irrelevant when people try to frame “the West” as caring about justice and human rights as our imperial vassals actively conduct a genocide.
You cant really separate between the east and the west here though. Russia is attempting a genocide against Ukraine, China is committing 2 genocides and plans a third.
Overall “the west” is the side which is recognizing human rights more and every movement trying to change that is coming from russia.
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It looks like you think genocide is a game. Sad you think that. Hopefully you never become victim of it.
I don’t see Xilly old bear and Puddin lifting any fingers, either. I guess they do agree on the US on something!
China has acknowledged Palestinians’ right to armed resistance and recognizes Palestinian statehood unlike most Western countries. But it is unfortunate that they didn’t do more.
China literally sent aid to Gaza, so I guess it’s just you guys and your buddies in Russia.
https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202403/21/content_WS65fb793fc6d0868f4e8e54c8.html
Eu and US did send aid too, your point?
Right. They also sent bullets and untrained security personnel to shoot unarmed civilians seeking to access said aid.
Two US contractors describe chaos and gunfire as Palestinians seek food in Gaza | AP News https://share.google/I3cXJybvFlqB4KsHE
Using aid as a honey pot to shoot civilians doesn’t count
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-announces-funding-gaza-humanitarian-foundation-despite-deaths/
No, you’re not understanding what is being said here. The west has always declared China the opponent and they’ll take China on when they finish their other conflicts like Russia. The EU has consistently asked China to stop Russia. China’s just saying the quiet part out loud. Who in their right mind would help you after you constantly called me a threat and told me if Russia falls you’re coming after me?
Edit for those down voting me, here’s Kallas saying China is next, the person China is talking to in the article.
The west has always declared China the opponent and they’ll take China on when they finish their other conflicts like Russia.
Always? Citation needed. After COVID, maybe? Or did it start with tramp in 2016, maybe sooner at the 2008 olympics? Certainly in 1993 that was not the case when China entered the WTO.
And of course: nearly nobody in the EU wanted to fight russia or spend more on defense until forced to open their eyes on russia’s reinvasion of Ukraine in 2022.
At least since Obama.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Asian_foreign_policy_of_the_Barack_Obama_administration
Here’s an EU based article saying that really it’s been happening since Clinton.
https://ecpr.eu/Events/Event/PaperDetails/25139
Always as in before anyone currently in power was in power.
Now, China is just saying what your thinking. If EU isn’t supporting USA on this, we can talk. Otherwise what do we gain from not keeping Russia afloat?
Edit btw the point of all of this is China is literally telling the EU how to stop the war. Turn on the US
Yeah, the 1st paper is from 2015, that’s after the Hong Kong protests, when it was finally clear that China was going to stamp out democracy in Hong Kong and Xi Jinping’s new Wolf Warrior diplomacy. Excuse us for being…unimpressed.
Eh, but I’m not making any predictions, but if russia implodes by repeatedly hitting their head against a wall, you’re cleaning up that mess, not us, he’s your drunken psychotic friend now. We already got plenty scalded trying to rehab them and getting blamed for everything that went wrong.
There are a lot of protests in Hong Kong, but the Hong Kong protests was definitely after 2015.
That was a paper talking about history. That it started before Obama even. Though, as the wiki article states at a minimum it started with Obama. Also, why would Russia lose? The implied threat is your going to be facing down J20s if it gets bad enough.
Clarity is actually better in these things.
I’m clear. The EU talks about wanting to stop Russia, but doesn’t actually work with the partner that can stop Russia. That’s as clear as it gets.
The crackdown on the George Floyd protests was far more violent and deadly. You can’t point at China when your own house is a mess.
Yes any talk about democractic reason to stop China is stupid considering they “NATO allies” are committing a full blown genocide in Gaza.
In reality China is a natural threat to wealthy people in the west because they have the population and the technology to: 1) fight any attempt to be exploited , 2) Exploit other countries.
There are wealthy people in China too (and a disgusting cult of wealth to go with it to make any communist nauseous or any oligarch envious) and they’re obedient little piggies, just like those idiots at tramp’s inauguration
Since the Opium Wars. Churchill even talked about breaking China apart a la the Muslim World so that it can never rise again.
Yeah, that guy’s gone. The policy with China was to encourage it to become the Germany of Asia in the hopes that it would liberalize as it developed. Well…no…shit happens…
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How about this from 2025?: Kaja Kallas: EU Must Focus on Russia Before Taking on China | Dawn News English
It is not like Sinophobia and Yellow Perilism suddenly stopped in the West. China sees what the West is doing to Gaza and the Middle East as a whole, and knows if it weren’t for its might they would do the same to it. I see Westerners online openly daydream of breaking up China and post their maps of a broken-up China. Breaking up the Middle East and the Muslim World doomed it for over a century, why would China allow that for itself? They know they are next.
Also, why is liberalism mandatory? I don’t want my country <insert bad evil illiberal arab country> to liberalize. There are other systems that work just as well if not better than [mandatory] Liberalism. If Chinese liberalize that’s their own business and if they don’t that’s their choice.
“Because that would be totally devastating to our plans for Taiwan.”
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Sure they can
True, they can demand Haishenwai and Outer Manchuria all the way to and including lake Baikal to help russia keep what it has stolen from Ukraine. Or else…geh fuck yourselves.
For now. Ideally they lose in a few years once China has a better position
You can count on tramp and his fascist toadies to lose their proxy war with China without a fight by refusing to acknowledge it until no asian ally is willing to resist or share intel out of fear of getting betrayed, like the EU and Ukraine.
5 eyes and 14 eyes are both falling apart
Sure you can.
Wang’s reported comments suggest that Russia’s war in Ukraine may serve China’s strategic needs as focus is deviated away from Beijing’s mounting preparation to launch its own eventual invasion into Taiwan.
I doubt anyone has said that so clearly, but if everyone in the west has been thinking that for 3 years, I’m sure the Chinese have too.
Implying that the US could be too focused on Russia right now to help Taiwan defend against a Chinese invasion sounds like wishful thinking considering how little they are doing to help Ukraine.
any sociological doctorates in here? What does it say about the state of the ruZZian war, when chinas FM weighs in on their vision for the war?
Russia is hugely dependent on trade with China to continue the war effort. They have replaced western imports with Chinese goods, including parts for weapons. North Korea would not sell arms and send troops to Russia without Chinese approval either. China buys Russian oil and gas as well.
The Russian war effort is going well and looks like it will be sustainable for years while Chinese support continues.
