• raspberriesareyummy@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Let me refine: “Fuck the Israeli government!” I have no beef with the country / people insofar as they hate their genocidal government.

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      6 months ago

      Really important distinction

      Oh 99% (quite a bit less of course) of Israelis support genocide, then fuck Israel! No, you don’t throw babies out with bath water, even when they’re the worst and you’re mad as you should be.

      Fuck any genocidal Israeli assholes, but Israel is too big to go blanket on them like this.

      Why aren’t we antisemitic, b/c we know what words mean and we’re not antisemitic. Let’s talk like both those are true too.

      Netanyahu should lick my pickled taint until he stops murdering kids

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        6 months ago

        but Israel is too big to go blanket on them like this. ?

        Rhodesia was destroyed and replaced by a new more equal country, the same should happen with Israel. There is zero argument for keeping an ethnostate in existence, Israel must be abolished.

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      6 months ago

      insofar as they hate their genocidal government.

      Recent polling shows only 19% of the Israeli population don’t support the genocide

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          6 months ago

          No, nothing like that, just wanting to clarify that it’s not a case of a rogue government going against popular opinion. Genocide is very popular in Israeli society, to the point that, if you ever talk to an anti-genocide Israeli, they tend to feel like political outcasts.

          IMO, Israel is unusual because a disproportionate amount of the population are migrants who moved there specifically because they support the genocidal project, and people who were born there but oppose the project are far more likely than average to be able to move to another country and get out.

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            6 months ago

            I think you are mixing the early stages of the state of Israel - certainly involving displacement and violence against Palestinian natives - with the recurring outbursts of Apartheid and crimes against humanity. There were calm phases in Israel, and many people moved there without genocidal actions ever being part of the public perception.

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              6 months ago

              There was never a time where Israel was not an colonialist and implicitly genocidal project. There also haven’t been “outbursts” of apartheid and crimes against humanity; those have been a constant at all times.

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      6 months ago

      they hate their genocidal government.

      Do they though? They’re brainwashed since kids at school and serving in the military is mandatory (both genders, very egalitarian), so i wonder what percentage is actually against and what are they doing.

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        6 months ago

        As you say - brainwashing is effective. And I wouldn’t be so quick to condemn everyone for having been brainwashed, especially because attacks against a country as a whole is only going to strengthen populists and nationalists therein.

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      6 months ago

      insofar as they hate their genocidal government.

      The one they continuously support and have for decades?

      The only issue they have with Netanyahu is the corruption.