This is a great example of a neoliberal being a conservative. Newsom is a neoliberal. Neoliberals are conservatives who pander to progressives to get votes. They work for the business class, not the human class.
The Dem party is dominated by neoliberals. There are a few progressives in the party as well, but they are marginalized by the neoliberals.
Please stop making up definitions for words that already have them. Liberalism has always been pro capitalist. Neo liberal specifically refers to complete deregulation of the market, abolishing the income tax, and getting rid of social welfare programs like SSI and Medicare.
Please stop making up definitions for words that already have them.
You first make the above condescending statement, then immediately follow it up by describing right-libertarianism, thus making up a definition for a word that already has that description.
Modern neoliberals are not so extreme as to advocate for the total abolishment of fundamental social safety nets as you suggest. Instead, they are much more diabolical. They pretend to support such programs just enough to attract the socially progressive vote. They frequently hold a platform of “reforming” such programs to lower their costs. Once elected, the modern neoliberal gently strangles those programs to allow them to lower corporate taxes or provide benefits to the business class in exchange for their financial support. Some examples of modern American neoliberals are Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton.
So how 'bout you stop making up definitions for words that already have them? We don’t have to debate fucking minutia and semantics at the expense of destroying our actual common enemies. Instead of being condescending to one another, why don’t we try working together for a fucking change? I can see why the French started killing each other when they ran out of elites. I am fucking bloodthirsty right now and arguing stupid shit with people on my own team is a waste of both of our resources.
They share a couple goals. They are not the same thing. And if you want to describe Neo Liberalism so broadly as to mean all American politicians who aren’t Socialist then you’re just spreading misinformation at that point. Usually this is some stupid take from tankies.
Go look it up. Because Maggoty class time is over. I’ve spent enough time today on this already.
Okay. Below are some links to sources to support my characterization of neoliberalism and my specific assertion that Clinton and Reagan are thought of as neoliberals in modern American politics.
Now, can you provide any evidence of your assertion that
“Neo liberal refers specifically to the deregulation of the market, abolishing the income tax, and getting rid of social welfare programs like SSI and Medicare”?
Because I looked it up like you suggested, and I’m not seeing any evidence to support your claim.
Looks like maybe class is still in session for Maggoty. Please feel free to educate me. I may not be very smart, but I am curious and open to learn some of that Maggoty nuance you like to try to bully people with.
And not a goddamn .edu among them. Thank you for illustrating the problem. It’s literally available for free. Have fun reading, they have one about normal liberals too.
Thanks for the link. Your own source absolutely destroys your case for you. Below is an excerpt. Notice how it is precisely the opposite of your description of neoliberalism.
Neoliberals support modest taxation, the redistribution of wealth, the provision of public goods, and the implementation of social insurance, embracing a state somewhat more expansive than one where government protects people from foreign powers and domestic criminals, produces public goods, and provides limited services for the poor.
This is a great example of a neoliberal being a conservative. Newsom is a neoliberal. Neoliberals are conservatives who pander to progressives to get votes. They work for the business class, not the human class.
The Dem party is dominated by neoliberals. There are a few progressives in the party as well, but they are marginalized by the neoliberals.
Please stop making up definitions for words that already have them. Liberalism has always been pro capitalist. Neo liberal specifically refers to complete deregulation of the market, abolishing the income tax, and getting rid of social welfare programs like SSI and Medicare.
You first make the above condescending statement, then immediately follow it up by describing right-libertarianism, thus making up a definition for a word that already has that description.
Modern neoliberals are not so extreme as to advocate for the total abolishment of fundamental social safety nets as you suggest. Instead, they are much more diabolical. They pretend to support such programs just enough to attract the socially progressive vote. They frequently hold a platform of “reforming” such programs to lower their costs. Once elected, the modern neoliberal gently strangles those programs to allow them to lower corporate taxes or provide benefits to the business class in exchange for their financial support. Some examples of modern American neoliberals are Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton.
So how 'bout you stop making up definitions for words that already have them? We don’t have to debate fucking minutia and semantics at the expense of destroying our actual common enemies. Instead of being condescending to one another, why don’t we try working together for a fucking change? I can see why the French started killing each other when they ran out of elites. I am fucking bloodthirsty right now and arguing stupid shit with people on my own team is a waste of both of our resources.
No. Just no.
They share a couple goals. They are not the same thing. And if you want to describe Neo Liberalism so broadly as to mean all American politicians who aren’t Socialist then you’re just spreading misinformation at that point. Usually this is some stupid take from tankies.
Go look it up. Because Maggoty class time is over. I’ve spent enough time today on this already.
Okay. Below are some links to sources to support my characterization of neoliberalism and my specific assertion that Clinton and Reagan are thought of as neoliberals in modern American politics.
Now, can you provide any evidence of your assertion that
Because I looked it up like you suggested, and I’m not seeing any evidence to support your claim.
Looks like maybe class is still in session for Maggoty. Please feel free to educate me. I may not be very smart, but I am curious and open to learn some of that Maggoty nuance you like to try to bully people with.
REAGAN AND NEOLIBERALISM
What is neoliberalism? A political scientist explains the use and evolution of the term
Neoliberalism from Reagan to Clinton
Ronald Reagan Was a Proud Neoliberal
First-wave neoliberalism in the 1980s: Reaganomics and Thatcherism
BILL CLINTON WAS A NEOLIBERAL
How Bill Clinton Became a Neoliberal
Bill Clinton Did More to Sell Neoliberalism than Milton Friedman
How the Third Way Made Neoliberal Politics Seem Inevitable
MODERN DEMOCRAT PARTY IS HIGHLY NEOLIBERAL
Democrats and Neoliberalism
How the Democrats Traded the New Deal for Neoliberalism
And not a goddamn .edu among them. Thank you for illustrating the problem. It’s literally available for free. Have fun reading, they have one about normal liberals too.
Thanks for the link. Your own source absolutely destroys your case for you. Below is an excerpt. Notice how it is precisely the opposite of your description of neoliberalism.
You know we can all read that in context through the link right?
Yes! That’s the best part about all of this! The entire paper paints you as a liar.
Why are you so hell-bent on creating wedges within the left on Lemmy? It’s very weird.