Seriosly, why?
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When… When did they claim they were going to do that?
That’s not the question.
But if one asks a better question that more accurately presents what another is looking for, it’s certainly better guidance than an answer to a nonsensical question, yeah? I know what they say about those who answer questions with questions, but I’m conventionally opposed to such ‘wisdom’
The thing is that you normally don’t release details of pending investigation, but trump and Republicans were riding on this promise and now that they actually have the power they looking for excuses “files don’t exist”, “files were created by Democrats”, “why you even talk about files?”
It is clear that trump doesn’t care about integrity of the investigation (given that people involved in it were fired I think effectively it is stopped) but that he is in those files.
Because a bunch of them are also child rapists
Yup.
Clintons were very good friends with Biden but also trump.
Neoliberals poisoned the party so much that during Epstein’s hey day the letter by a name didn’t matter, trump himself was a big donor to the Dem party back then.
Neither Biden or trump could release just the names of people they don’t like, because they’d snitch on the people they liked and then you’re on the hook for protecting the ones you liked.
Someone like AOC is the only shot at a president that would actually release it. We need more politicians who have a loyalty to voters over a party.
Party leadership changes, and we got a rare window right now the party won’t block someone like AOC. We can’t count on that being true in 2032 if she doesn’t feel ready in 2028.
Ready or not, it’s time.
Someone like AOC is the only shot at a president that would actually release it.
You act like Bernie doesn’t exist. I’m 100% confident that he’s not assosiated with that hot mess in any way.
The OP said “with a shot at [presidency]”.
C’mon now. Old elderly white men who could die any minute is what this country has exclusively elected since 2016.
If anything he has a better chance than AOC at being president, simply for having white hair, wrinkles, and a penis.
That’s my thinking, US citizens are prisoners of the immorality of the richest regardless of their political contributions. Trump has masterfully exploited this with the “devide and empire” maxime.
A lot of their donors as well.
…or they’re friends with child rapists, or owe favors to child rapists. Those three are the only answers that make sense.
That is the more likely true explanation. All of these rich and powerful people know each other, owe favors to each other, have dirt on each other etc. That makes them less likely to put anyone in their circle in danger.
Note how normal people have no issues saying that Democrats may be (or likely are) in the Epstein files, but MAGAs are like “The files are a hoax but if they exist he is not in them but if he’s in them it’s just a juvenile mistake, who cares”
because democrats are on it.
My guess is, because Republican leaders and propaganda outlets were constantly accusing Democrats of witch hunts and politically motivated criminal investigations, Dems releasing Epstein’s client list would have been seen as more of the same. Trump’s base would have absolutely called it fake news. So Dems waited until Republicans were in control and then said, “Okay, now you can release it.” With predictable results.
They are also on the list.
No you see Joe Biden just loves institutions so much!
Almost as much as he loves weirdly sniffing women’s heads
Obsessed with the hair sniffing bullshit but is fine with Trump being the wingman of one of the planets most prolific pedophiles.
Certainly, there is more evidence in the public record of trump being the worst sort of sex pest, and with Epstein specifically.
Nevertheless “both sides” across at least three administrations chose to protect the elite pedophiles at the expense of the truth and the victims.
i think your edginess is really cool
Because people on all sides are probably listed.
First, Bill Clinton is almost certainly all over them, and older Democrats still think of the Clintons as the epitome of Democratic success. Some of the old guard is still trying to push focus away from the Epstien files. Just two days ago, Nancy Pelosi was calling the Epstien files a distraction, which is a bat-shit crazy thing to say about evidence that could prove that your opponent was involved in a pedophile ring.
Second, Epstien probably has some sort of ties to the intelligence community. I don’t know that I believe all these stories about him being a secret Mossad asset, but I think its very possible that the someone in the CIA was using him. Alex Acosta, who prosecuted Epstien in 2008, claimed that he was told to back off because he, “belonged to intelligence,” and they’re clearly withholding a lot of information, there’s definitely something they don’t want people to know. Anyway, since 9/11, the Democrats and Republicans have had basically the same position on the intelligence community (essentially, abject deference), so if the CIA says that it would be a national security risk to release the files, the Democrats aren’t going to release the files.
Okay. Let me give a sane outsider take.
First thing you have to understand is that there is a big disconnect between the conviction of Epstein and the influential connections he had. All the conspiracy talk about the island being a childporn hub for elites is nothing more than that: conspiracy fantasy. His suicide fueled many more ideas about the elite killing him, but again no evidence at all.
However, there is a strong public pressure to research the connections between Epstein and the elites he knew. This has most likely been done in the background, since Epstein did shady finances. But Trump has campaigned heavily on the popular sentiment. And it lives in the minds of people a solution to lock up all the elites/draining the swamp.
So now there is a big problem for the maga populists, there is a ‘list’ of connections to epstein. But there is no further evidence (yet) that those people did anything illegal, or is entirely complicated financial crime. The list probably includes just about the entire political spectrum includes donors and includes Trump. So everybody wants to handle this the correct way, including those donors. Nobody wants their name public because they spoke to a shady financial advisor. And any case against a super wealthy person needs to be watertight, they can afford a legal team.
Is it possible that there was deeper predatory connections? sure. Epstein had easy access and no question that he was willing to share. Is that going to be written down in a list? absolutely not. Epstein did finances the shady way and that’s more likely the reason so many rich people were interested in his business.
So this isnt a political issue. Of course, now it is. But that’s because Trump made it one.
It’s possible they were protecting their own. You don’t release only the parts that implicate your opponents and leave out the parts that implicate your friends.
I think it’s also possible there wasn’t any smoking gun that directly implicated anybody. Only loose associations to Epstein that we already were aware of.
So if they did release it, Republicans wouldn’t believe anything in it that made them look bad, and Democrats wouldn’t care as they want a real smoking gun before they react. So it wouldn’t help in the election, and the release would have zero impact.
Instead, let the next administration deal with it. With Trump now in charge, it really is a rock and a hard place. If there are “loose associations” that make him or his people look bad, and they are the ones to release it, Republicans would not be able to question its authenticity.
Notice how Trump is now claiming Obama and Biden were manipulating the documents, which is why he won’t release it. This is giving his people a reason to be skeptical even if he does release something that looks bad.
TLDR, either Democrats are implicated and Biden was protecting, or Biden felt it was better to let the next administration deal with it, especially if the next administration was Trump.
Why didn’t Republicans under Trump’s first term release them? See reply by @Nollij@sopuli.xyz
Sample coverage from back then: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/09/trump-not-a-fan-of-jeffrey-epstein-accused-sex-trafficker.html
Why isn’t Trump and the Republican Party doing it now?
Because they’re assholes.
Oh, you mean dems are assholes too…?
Are you one of those ‘both parties are the same’ folks?
I think you missed the point.
Trump won’t release them because his name (and others in the GOP) is all over it and he could be facing actual prison time.
The Democrats didn’t because…well, we know that Clinton at least was involved with Epstein. I’m sure many others were as well.
Besides which, other powerful people outside of politics are likely to have put strong pressure on the US to keep them locked up (e.g. Prince Andrew).
The problem isn’t one party or the other, and it’s not that “all parties are the same,” but in this particular case it IS almost guaranteed that too many people are named and shamed for any group in power to release them.
It’s not just because they’re assholes, it’s because a significant portion of them are also pedophiles. Pedos protecting pedos.
Status quo protects the status quo.
The status is not… quo
But it is quid pro quo.
Because it could hurt rich people and both parties are on the side of rich people.
This is the actual answer, cutting right through the smoke and mirrors and bullshit. Anyone who had the displeasure of reading through the flight logs that were available in their entirety online almost a year ago and probably still are: saw just what names pop up, often multiple times. This is the most bipartisan issue there ever was, so NOBODY in power wants to touch it.
Your question leads me to believe that you think pedophilia is a Republican construct.
