Here are all of the Epstein Files that have either been leaked or released.
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf (verified court documents)
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi) Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80
Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List “ Here is the story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiKUXrlcac
Here’s the flight logs https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21165424-epstein-flight-logs-released-in-usa-vs-maxwell/
—————————other Epstein Information
https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump raping a 13 yr old together.
Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katies testimony on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo
Epstein’s Ex Says He Boasted About Being a Mossad Agent https://share.google/jLMGahKlCzfV1RHZq Epstein and Israel both hired lawyer Alan Dershowitz, who says he’s building ‘legal dream team’ to defend Israel in court and on internationally | The Times of Israel https://share.google/Lb9hDOduBWG4Elpid
Epstein Docs: https://ia600705.us.archive.org/21/items/epsteindocs/
Epstein Bribes/Payments: 1 BILLION+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7IrEi-ybzs
—————————other Trump information:
Here’s trump admitting to peeping on 14-15 year old girls at around 1:40 on the Howard Stern Radio Show: https://youtu.be/iFaQL_kv_QY
Trump’s promise to his daughter: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-dating-promise_n_57ee98cbe4b024a52d2ead02 “I have a deal with her. She’s 17 and doing great ― Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her that I would never date a girl younger than her,” Trump said. “So as she grows older, the field is getting very limited.”
Trump’s modeling agency was probably part of Jeffreys pipeline: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/
A good summary of Trump-Epstein timeline: https://thepresidential.medium.com/we-have-been-gaslit-about-donald-trump-and-jeffrey-epstein-for-four-years-fbda67c20f75
• Much of this info can also be found on: https://theepsteindocs.com/
Feel free to do your part and spread this info around so it is never “lost”.
Because the list takes the onus away from women needing to speak out. We shouldn’t require victims to expose themselves if we have other evidence.
For the record: numerous women have spoke out against Trump for sexual misconduct while underaged. All the named ones are from Miss America or Miss Universe competitions. A couple of Epstein’s victims have filed charges against Trump too but those remain anonymous.
“At least” twenty-five women have publicly accused him and some have gone to court - here’s the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations
Yeah but when victims do expose themselves, it’d be nice if a bunch of online shit heads didn’t constantly chant 'women are liars! They only want money!"
Agreed
your also forgetting death threats from magats, that forced one to drop lawsuit against him.
What do you wanna bet that, within the next month, a right wing talking head uses that phrase to defend Ghislaine Maxwell?
Sure seems like a lot of these topics are coming up despite the fact any person with two brain cells to rub together knows there will always be some of any demographic who lies.
Actually, most of us can tell the difference between a committed sex trafficker and the actual sex slaves she helped traffic.
If this does get said in her defense, it will be bad faith, and the only people that repeat it will be MAGA loyalists.
You can’t just convict someone on vibes
Fortunately pretty much everyone agrees
No you can’t. You can however refuse to give them a job because they keep making inappropriate remarks about women and multiple women have accused them of sexual abuse, rape and harassment.
EXACTLY. You don’t need to “trust”, you can look at the comments that were consistently made in regards to women, the vile behavior he engaged in, the known relationships, and the week court cases, i.e the evidence that was there in plain sight but people chose to ignore
Well…
If the justice system didn’t have a systemic massive unjustified distrust of women, and it spontaneously reached the peak of equality on this specific metric, then there would probably eventually be a higher rate of false accusations.
And then we’d eventually end up with a latent mild justified skepticism of all sexes, and then we’d still end up needing objective evidence.
So it’d be kinda self-defeating, except for a handful of glory years. Now would be a fantastic time for those glory years, no doubt, but it’s not a long-term solution.
Wow you just rode that sucker into space immediately
Statistically, less than 1% of all accusations of sexual assault are false.
Statistically, about 3% of sexual assaults actually end in a conviction. Only about 11% get to court. Only about 25% are reported.
Considering men do most of (not all) the sexual assault (by far, though), it seems currently a lot of sexual predators are escaping justice.
Now I get US society (and most of human society in general) is way hung up about sexual relations. It’s exacerbated by the Abrahamic religions who have proscriptions against sex which have informed our culture. We also fail to recognize teenage sexuality, and in fact hate our teens, seeing them as promiscuous delinquents even while we try to teach them math, and this has informed the rise of the alt-right, the man-o-sphere and all the War Boys that joined up with
Immortan JoeDonald J. Trump ( WITNESS! ). We crank out horny teens by the hundreds of thousands and don’t inform them at all how human interaction works.(Case in point, check out what romance looks like in cinema, especially romantic comedies, and see if you’d tolerate any of that crazy shit IRL.)
So we set teens up for sexual assault, mostly on the side of men, since girls are taught they’re slutty (and that’s bad) if they even think a half-libertine thought.
So we need massive amounts of both judicial reform and cultural reform regarding sexuality. And then believe women when they say they were assaulted.
where’s your source for the 1% statistic?
Unfortunately there’s no way to even begin to find out.
I could imagine the number being derived with a statistical model, but it would probably require you to plug in some priors.
Allegations of sexual crimes should always be taken seriously and addressed immediately, however, that’s not the same as taking the words of the victims words as the truth. A due process has to be mandatory and proof must remain a non negotiable requirement to arrest and punish someone. That’s the one and only way justice can be served.
That is a different topic. Conviction is not belief. Don’t be sneaky, please.
Because people lie. What we can do is to not victim shame so women would be less afraid to come forward. This alone would help deter a would be attacker
Agreed.
It would also help out men and boys to have a safe environment to come forward with their claims without facing abuse from society/police.
Nobody who matters (Trumps fanbase, Trumps voters, Trumps politicans and Trumps supreme court) care whether he’s guilty or convicted.
But the Epstein list is something very central to the Trump campagin narrative and thus if he’s on there, that could cause major issues between Trump and his fanbase/voters.
I am all for seeing trump and anyone else in that list behind bars, but this kind of bullshit thinking goes nowhere.
At least 26 separate women have accused Trump of SA over the course of the last 50 years, many of them before he entered politics. One of them even got a civil court to find as fact that he committed rape.
Just how many witnesses do you need here? Would another 26 be enough? How about a thousand?
I dont think it’s going to be a “list” like a nice spreadsheet itemising various white guys liaisons with under-age women including names, dates of birth, and witness details.
Whatever is released, if anything, is going to be ambiguous and you’re going to need to weigh the information and its source.
This meme is challenging people who would generally line up behind the conservatives to consider other sources of information.
how is it bullshit please explain…
I’d assume it the bulshit is based on a different interpretation of the word “believe”. Some people mean “don’t need proof”, which is bulshit. Some people mean " investigate as if you thought it were true", which is not bulshit.
Consider that if these women came forward, then the corrupt justice system, that’s supposed to protect them, would dismiss or refute thier claims and leave them vulnerable to the powerful people they tried to expose.
They have to be believed AND protected from those they accuse, else they are just painting a target on their backs.
Women have already come forward and had their lives destroyed. If the general public believed them during their trials, or honestly, if they weren’t intimidated into dropping their case, this shit would already be in prison.
But the testimony of women is valued less by the justice system than the testimony of rich powerful men. That’s the problem. There is less trust in women overall, across the board in this patriarchal society.
You’re not wrong, but I think “rich” and “powerful” carry a hundred times the weight in that sentence as “men”.
refute thier claims
That’s what the defense is supposed to be attempting in an adversarial trial system.
My current bias is that an adversarial system is a good way to actually achieve justice, but I’d be open to learning about non-adversarial criminal trials.
Went wrong so many time in the past.
The list is the way
Oh, I tried this on shower thoughts. Get ready to read some depressing comments.
It’s called logic & rule of law & ethics. Which you don’t have
Exactly. This guy is advocating for dropping due process, these people are insane and can’t see the consequences of their own thinking.
Girl actually, she wants to jail men at a woman’s word. She’s a misandrist
Nice ad homin, I’m definitely going to take your opinion seriously now!
Projection much, But I take you seriously. (As a threat to law & order)
Trust but verify.
Awww shit here we go again
I like the energy, I think Trump should be rotting in prison, but it’s a shit argument that basically gives unrestricted power to random individuals.
