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The worst thing about Linux is its users
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This edit ruins the point of the comic entirely.
No it doesn’t. Not everyone is able or wants to switch to Linux.
Applying the usual context to this scenario, the usual meaning would hold if the well-guy was a Windows person. Usually it’s someone who thinks the whining is overblown, and the person in whining without really meaning it.
I think usually the well guy in this case is a person that has switched away. They may fail to understand how the person is stuck, but they at least walked the walk and sincerely think the other person should too, rather than just mocking them.
On the one hand you have people being overly dismissive of app and game compatibility concerns, on the other hand you get to hear a community fighting against the current to keep their platform acceptable rather than doing anything that might penalize Windows for their choices as a platform.
I thought that was the part OP found humorous.
I am the smug well guy in this picture. You can complain and whine about Microsoft’s shitty practices to people who have no way of effecting them…oooorr you can use a different OS. Kind of a “better to light a candle than to curse the darkness” deal.
About 15 years ago I gave Linux a try, liked it and showed it to my wife who is less technical than me. She said she found it nicer than windows so I put it in the common computer and never looked back.
You can find as many excuses not to use Linux as I can give you reasons and solutions to try it… at the end of the day, try it, don’t try it, it’s your decision and you get to live with the consequences of those decisions. Me evangelizing about Linux is just as painful as hearing Window users complain about it yet unwilling to do anything but whine about it
If you do give it a try and have an issue, there are plenty places to get help for Linux better than the MS forums, this is undeniable.
Also, notice Windows is like bumper cars while Linux is like the entire vehicle fleet of the world, you want to drive a tank, you got it… wanna drive a super car, got it… wanna drive a hot air balloon that moves on good wishes, Linux has one distro just like that… you probably should not learn to drive in a Ferrari when you are late for work, choose a beginner friendly distro and move on from there at your pace if you feel like it
This. To many people who “just want to use” a computer, the OS in the background won’t make much of a difference, but linux makes it easier for the one maintaining it.
Lots less of us maintainer types than user types. User types like to pay for someone to fix it and buy a new one when that fails. There’s no enlightening them. When more pc’s come as Linux from the store and there is better support for a unified installer the real uptake won’t happen.
“I wish I wish upon a star for a multi billion dollar monopoly to self-regulate”
As someone who considers themselves a “Linux-evangelist” and has run it exclusively on my devices for years, I really despise that the goto method for recruiting others is to shit on other OSs and claim that Linux beats them all. Whilst you’re not wrong and all your arguments are true, nobody wants to listen to that.
The most succesful campaigns I have seen has been to gently introduce people to Linux and let them play around with it. Alot of people really just liked it, but where more open to adopt since they arrived at the conclusion on their own, instead of being force-fed it.
I give out live usbs like they’re candy (to friends who are Linux curious)
I wish I could, but my friends are too paranoid to plug anything I give them into their computer. I have shown of a bit too much of my fondness for homemade Rubber Duckies :3
I think it highly depends on the person. I have never been a ‘brand loyal’ type person. It was very likely Linux users clowning on Windows and OS X that got me interested enough to check it out.
I do believe you though, some people even if you simply try to correct their misconceptions about Linux get super defensive. It’s like Stockholm Syndrome, but for OS’s.
The most succesful campaigns I have seen has been to gently introduce people to Linux and let them play around with it.
I think the Steam Deck is helping in this area. People turn on ‘Desktop Mode’ just to try it and see that it’s not some scary esoteric thing, but basically works just like Windows or Mac.
Just today I had to explain to a coworker how I grew to love Linux because I was hating Windows, I don’t hate Windows because I love Linux. And I don’t want to hate Windows, I wish they were slowly becoming anti-user, but they keep adding (forcing) features that are so unfriendly to the user.
I had to help someone figure out why their new storage drive wasn’t showing up, and it was because Windows has something called “Storage Spaces”, turning “unused” storage drives into a sort of virtual raid local One Drive. It’s a neat idea, but it hides the physical drive from File Explorer and Disk Management. That should be a feature you have to intentionally configure and enable, not something that can just happen automatically.
That is diabolical and gross. Definitely should be opt-in.
I grew to love Linux because I was hating Windows, I don’t hate Windows because I love Linux. And I don’t want to hate Windows, I wish they were slowly becoming anti-user, but they keep adding (forcing) features that are so unfriendly to the user.
Yes. If Windows was still like Windows XP, I don’t know if I would have ever switched. It used to be fun, not soul sucking.
There’s lots of other reasons I’m glad I switched, of course.
For me, it’s simple, it’s gaming. As soon as I can run competitive online games on Linux, I’ll switch fully. Meanwhile, my non gaming computer runs Linux, but my gaming rig runs Windows.
Enjoy getting fucked by the corporate rootkits. I hope your gaming PC is just for gaming.
Same. I have a gaming PC with Windows 11 only use it for gaming. Everything else, I do it on my laptop.
Nowadays games that don’t run are rare but they still exist. One of my favorite games, BF1, sadly stopped working on Linux after they introduced anti cheat (on the other hand, at least now there are no cheaters spamming artillery)
I also have a meta quest and the best software to link the headset to the PC, Virtual Desktop, sadly also doesn’t work on linux
At least for VR stuff, I find Linux to work pretty well with ALVR Streamer, which is basically an open source version of Virtual Desktop.
For anticheat, there are if course no real good solutions yet, for that, we just need better market share to pressure game developers.
What ones specifically? I don’t bother with them these days, I’m mildly curious because I’m lucky enough to haven’t really found anything I can’t run.
The artificial superiority of linux users is the main barrier to creating more linux users
Software and games.
No matter some people claims, there are always software/games that simply won’t run on Linux or no alternative available.
The newer updates to Wine are making that less relevant.
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I only play competitive online. Kernel anti-cheat does not work on Linux.
That first sentence is so greasy
It’s a nice outlet for my competitive nature. I get close to zero enjoyment from single player games or pve.
Kernel anti-cheat won’t work on windows soon anyways
Ok, I’ll bite.
How come?
After the whole crowd strike debacle Microsoft is trying to remove most things from the kernel into user land, including anti-cheat. If this will actually makes wine possible for those games is still up for debate but either way kernel-level anti-cheat seems to be on the way out.
https://pureinfotech.com/microsoft-removes-antivirus-windows-kernel/
Kernel anti-cheat does not work on Linux
And hopefully never will.
Please keep the spyware on the spyware operating system.
I’ve been a Linux user nearly exclusively) for over 20 years, I still keep an iPad and a windows desktop around for government stuff because the their apps and websites don’t work on my hardened systems (sus) or through TOR (less sus).
Then the gaming community will never move to Linux. Easy as that.
I can play SF6 and Dota2 on Linux. Are those not competitive? If I’m able to play these games free of cheaters on Linux, what’s stopping any other company from allowing me to play my games there? Guess what, games with kernel-level anti-cheat still have cheaters even when they universally block Linux from playing at all. Will allowing the OS with ~3% market share (specifically the subset of that 3% that will even be playing that game) make the cheater population skyrocket? I know your point is that you simply won’t switch if you can’t use/play what you want, but you’re complaining about an instance where the only thing preventing you from doing that is the corporation who makes the product, and has nothing to do with Linux itself.
The competitive online gaming community is not the gaming community.
Wrong, but it’s ok if you think that.
I think you could add
“, but it is a part of that community”.
And you get the idea of what is being said.
Competitive online gaming is a very small niche of the gaming community.
I beg to differ. Otherwise there would already have been an exodus to linux
People are on Windows because of inertia.
If you look at just PC gaming, Steam charts show that the big competitive kernel-level AC titles are way down, the biggest one is the newest Rainbow 6, with 80k players of the 36 million people active on Steam right now, 10 million being in-game. Funny thing is, the biggest Steam title is indeed a competitive online shooter, CS2, but it runs fine on Linux.
If it was competitive gaming that was the only reason people aren’t on Linux, most other segments would have seen a mass migration already. Competitive games can’t explain why 95%+ of the community is not on Linux.
I’m on Windows because the games i want to play doesn’t work on linux. Simple as that.
I know. What I’m saying is that your experience isn’t universal.
Fair enough, but most solutions to restrict data gathering by windows are often worked around by Microsoft via eventual windows updates which is a perpetual risk. In my experience, using Linux is less of a headache in the long run.
I am not particularly intelligent, nor particularly knowledgeable on the details on how OSes and kernels work. And I’m comfortably using Linux. One more reason why more people should.
But I agree that it would be very nice if legislation was finally passed to prohibit that spyware bullcrap most of the big players have trying to force down our throats.
I don’t want Linus Torvald spying on me through my computer, either! /s
don’t worry, it would be Richard stallman
gcrowdstrike bricks my machine faster and more efficiently than the closed-source version
My first genie wish is for the EU to declare Windows 7 public domain and set up a team to maintain security and driver updates for it.
can you even do that without Microsoft saying ok (or suing you) ?
No. Even if EU went full on dictator and tried, how would they get the sourcode? :D Unless the US would force Microsoft to hand it over, it would not happen.
Thats even the funny part, you cant.
The reason they skipped Windows 9 was some ancient piece of code, lost to the ages that has been incorporated into Windows since dinosaurs once roamed the earth.
Atleast with the linux kernel you know who put what where, and can send them a fish in the mail if you think what they made stinks.
sourcode
I know this is a simple typo, but I think its fitting.
They could decompile it (disgusting), or they could places fines on them. Neither are good options.
What about instead working on react OS? (Not made in react)
I should move but I just haven’t found a good time to uproot my main pc and have an extended period of downtime. I’m not really using windows exclusive stuff anymore.
back that data up
Everybody wants to complain about how bad things suck, and then just shrug and keep living with it.
Seriously, it sucks that Microsoft is an evil corporation spying on all Windows users. Nothing will change unless people start coming up with and using alternatives. This isn’t some fairytale where government regulation works in our favor, either. The only vote we have that matters to corporations is the choice to give them our money and data.
Linux has a learning curve, and there are some things that are frustrating at first. None of those things are more frustrating than having your personal computer ruled by the robber baron Bill Gates. Just my two cents. I am very intelligent.
I will say that there is a usability issue with some aspects of Linux. If you are not a sysadmin but want to use a computer for more than just browsing the web and sending email, you can get blocked pretty easily and the vast number of possible configurations out there makes troubleshooting way more difficult than on a windows or Mac machine.
There definitely is a usability issue, but it’s gotten insanely easier in just the 4 years I’ve been using it. Could you elaborate on what you mean by using a computer for more than browsing the web and sending email? My mind immediately goes to gaming, but I’m sure you mean other facets of PC use as well.
Well…gaming.
But also trying to use various apps that are more niche than browsers and office software.
For example, there is a creative writing app called Manuskript that doesn’t seem to install the same way if I’m using fedora and KDE or fedora and Gnome.
Or, I installed various distros on older Apple hardware and they don’t automatically mount a second drive that is present and detected, even after taking what should be the steps to auto-mount the drive at startup.
I suppose I’ve just been very fortunate with all my other software, but I haven’t had to jump through too many hoops to get stuff working.
I also generally just stick with 2 or 3 distros I know well, which has definitely helped usability. I’d imagine most casual users would do the same.
I’ll be honest, though. That shit is ready for gaming. I haven’t had real issues in games in years. Maybe a couple games display some reflections incorrectly, but I’m golden besides that. The only “problem” I’ve had is that a the anticheats for a lot of big, corporate, live-service games don’t support Linux. They could, if the developers wanted. I can actually play some official Microsoft games that use anticheat on Linux.
So like, Linux probably wouldn’t be good for you if you only play Call of Duty, but let’s be real: if you only play Call of Duty, you’re used to getting your teeth kicked in by the software company you stan. Keep on usin’ Windows, it’s just fine for your purposes.
