‘I wasn’t a hideous butcher! I just ate what the hideous butcher put before me! It was slightly easier and tastier than the salad. I mean, bacon, amirite?’
Inb4: I realize that every acre of wheat and corn my basic vegan ass has obliterated probably killed some field varmints. It’s still less destructive than someone eating a burger.
No, it really isn’t. The “some varmints” number in the millions. That’s not even going into how current crop farming practices reduces natural habitats, exhausts soil, destroys biodiversity, and is responsible for the endangerment of species due to all of the above.
And that’s just farming to keep us fed. If we look into other industries we see that they’re all doing the same as well.
We have to make a massive shift in how we do industry as a whole, because simply not buying a burger doesn’t amount to anything beyond being self-congratulating.
I don’t know. That field that grew the grains you eat was probably carved out of a savanna/prairie/forest and permanently altered the ecology of the area and preventing an untold number of living things to exist. So you would bear the same burden s everyone else.
Was the butcher going to kill all of those animals if there was nobody to buy them?
A worm does not directly order you to eat food and pay you for the benefit of your refuse.
This line of thinking would make terrible lawyers…
Your honour, my client only ordered the hit, and is therefore not guilty of the crime of first degree murder; it was the hitman - by his own confession. I declare mistrial by further down the linedness and award myself a million bucks.
Those one are indeed selected by an individual, but killed by another person. So how does it work? Does the lobster show up whenever anyone in the chain dies, from the fisherman to the diner?
Being dead as an animal in heaven requires a lot of “showing face” at events. The animals don’t mind though. Before this became the norm only dogs went to heaven.
True, but it’s both biologically and sociologically normal to do so all over the world. If someone chooses to reject being part of that system, that’s fine, but morally condemning others for participating in it at all points is disingenuous.
Eating animal products is causing a great deal of suffering and environmental destruction. They deserve every condemnation. They have blood on their hands. Carnist consumers are responsible for the animals being slaughtered period.
Brb, gonna buy some organs from the black market. Sure, I know that it’ll fund further illegal organ harvesting, but I’m not responsible for what my money enables them to do, so no problem.
In the book, a man named Eddie dies and is sent to Heaven. However, he must first meet five people whose lives were completely altered by him.
The first person the protagonist meets was a man who was turned blue due to silver nitrate. When Eddie was a child, he ran into the road chasing a ball. The man was driving a car and swerved to avoid him. While there was no accident, it caused the man to suffer a heart attack and die.
The point was to show that there is no such thing as coincidence and that your actions can indirectly have an effect on others, even people you never have met.
Well, the book actually ends a bit more positively. Your actions will indirectly affect others isn’t just about the bad. It’s also the good.
The protagonist was haunted since he fought in the Vietnam War. He was ordered to burn an abandoned village but he thought he saw a shadow. He tried to see if someone was there while his commander told him to leave. He went anyways but was shot in the leg.
For his entire life, he was haunted by that.
The final person he met was a little girl. She was the shadow he saw. He broke down about how he wished his life could have been taken instead but she comforted him. Because of his guilt and pain, he was extremely cautious at his job as an amusement park maintenance employee. He went above and beyond what anyone else would do.
She showed him examples. Kids who were playing on the boardwalk that would have died after stepping on a broken plank. Rides that would have crashed because of a missed problem. Teens who would have plunged to their death because no one yelled at them to stop leaning over the rails. Even the action that caused his death - he saved the life of a little girl who was about to be hit by a roller coaster car.
Your actions can indirectly lead to bad things happening but they can also directly or indirectly bring about good.
Were they a butcher?
Taking out those animals lives by themselves is different from using their flesh as product. They are further down the line.
Because otherwise a worm eating my shit would also “contribute” to the death of those animals I’ve eaten. The shit wouldn’t have existed.
I was gonna say, my guy Joe worked at an exotic slaughterhouse.
Really brings a different context to the first dude that showed up.
Eating meat is still being an accomplice to the slaughter ie hiring a hitman. You’re directly paying for exploitation and deaths of others.
no, you’re not. the animal is dead and it’s killer is already paid before the meat ever gets to the store
‘I wasn’t a hideous butcher! I just ate what the hideous butcher put before me! It was slightly easier and tastier than the salad. I mean, bacon, amirite?’
Inb4: I realize that every acre of wheat and corn my basic vegan ass has obliterated probably killed some field varmints. It’s still less destructive than someone eating a burger.
No, it really isn’t. The “some varmints” number in the millions. That’s not even going into how current crop farming practices reduces natural habitats, exhausts soil, destroys biodiversity, and is responsible for the endangerment of species due to all of the above.
And that’s just farming to keep us fed. If we look into other industries we see that they’re all doing the same as well.
We have to make a massive shift in how we do industry as a whole, because simply not buying a burger doesn’t amount to anything beyond being self-congratulating.
I don’t know. That field that grew the grains you eat was probably carved out of a savanna/prairie/forest and permanently altered the ecology of the area and preventing an untold number of living things to exist. So you would bear the same burden s everyone else.
In the end, there is no life without death.
Was the butcher going to kill all of those animals if there was nobody to buy them?
A worm does not directly order you to eat food and pay you for the benefit of your refuse.
This line of thinking would make terrible lawyers…
Your honour, my client only ordered the hit, and is therefore not guilty of the crime of first degree murder; it was the hitman - by his own confession. I declare mistrial by further down the linedness and award myself a million bucks.
Joe didn’t order any of those animals killed, either. He bought parts of them that were packaged and made available for anyone to buy.
The lobster tank may make things awkward.
Those one are indeed selected by an individual, but killed by another person. So how does it work? Does the lobster show up whenever anyone in the chain dies, from the fisherman to the diner?
Being dead as an animal in heaven requires a lot of “showing face” at events. The animals don’t mind though. Before this became the norm only dogs went to heaven.
He paid the killer though.
He didn’t. He paid a place that’s paid other places several steps removed from the killer.
The killer wouldn’t be financially rewarded if they hadn’t provided the demand in the first place by buying animal products in the market.
True, but it’s both biologically and sociologically normal to do so all over the world. If someone chooses to reject being part of that system, that’s fine, but morally condemning others for participating in it at all points is disingenuous.
Eating animal products is causing a great deal of suffering and environmental destruction. They deserve every condemnation. They have blood on their hands. Carnist consumers are responsible for the animals being slaughtered period.
Brb, gonna buy some organs from the black market. Sure, I know that it’ll fund further illegal organ harvesting, but I’m not responsible for what my money enables them to do, so no problem.
Proximate cause arguments have entered the chat.
Seems to be a take on The Five People You Meet In Heaven.
In the book, a man named Eddie dies and is sent to Heaven. However, he must first meet five people whose lives were completely altered by him.
The first person the protagonist meets was a man who was turned blue due to silver nitrate. When Eddie was a child, he ran into the road chasing a ball. The man was driving a car and swerved to avoid him. While there was no accident, it caused the man to suffer a heart attack and die.
The point was to show that there is no such thing as coincidence and that your actions can indirectly have an effect on others, even people you never have met.
The point is “fuck you, you will always be guilty of something”.
And I of course took it, by no longer giving a shit.
Well, the book actually ends a bit more positively. Your actions will indirectly affect others isn’t just about the bad. It’s also the good.
The protagonist was haunted since he fought in the Vietnam War. He was ordered to burn an abandoned village but he thought he saw a shadow. He tried to see if someone was there while his commander told him to leave. He went anyways but was shot in the leg.
For his entire life, he was haunted by that.
The final person he met was a little girl. She was the shadow he saw. He broke down about how he wished his life could have been taken instead but she comforted him. Because of his guilt and pain, he was extremely cautious at his job as an amusement park maintenance employee. He went above and beyond what anyone else would do.
She showed him examples. Kids who were playing on the boardwalk that would have died after stepping on a broken plank. Rides that would have crashed because of a missed problem. Teens who would have plunged to their death because no one yelled at them to stop leaning over the rails. Even the action that caused his death - he saved the life of a little girl who was about to be hit by a roller coaster car.
Your actions can indirectly lead to bad things happening but they can also directly or indirectly bring about good.
I’m just roughly 24kb worth of ram. I do what big man says good, and hope for the best.