• MudMan@fedia.io
    704·
    4 个月前

    June 6th is not when school’s out over here.

    So is the hypothesis that OpenAI’s usage is heavily regionally skewed to… wherever classes end that date? I’m guessing US, because that’s what I guess when somebody forgets there’s a planet attached to their country.

    • CluckN@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      4 个月前

      I’m guessing any college that wants to hop on trends has an LLM class that chugs through tokens.

      • MudMan@fedia.io
        51·
        4 个月前

        Is that relevant to the June date? Universities aren’t any more internationally consistent than other tiers of education, to my knowledge.

    • hamms@lemmy.worldEnglish
      52·
      4 个月前

      Schools in the US don’t all follow the same schedule; it varies drastically state to state, and can even vary by district within any given state.

      • WoodScientist@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        4 个月前

        Exactly. Some universities end their spring terms in early May. Some in early June. K12 schools tend to more consistently end their years in early June, but that’s still spread out over a few weeks.

      • MudMan@fedia.io
        123·
        4 个月前

        Even worse for that hypothesis, then. Assuming the poster was from the US in the first place.

    • seaplant@slrpnk.netEnglish
      19·
      4 个月前

      Yeah that kind of coordination coming from the end of the school year doesn’t make sense. Zooming out a bit it looks like there was just a spike in May 2025. It was all useage of a particular model, OpenAI’s GPT-4o-mini, which barely registers outside of these short periods of high use in March and then May of 2025. I don’t really know what a ‘token’ is so maybe it’s not a 1:1 comparison when useage shifts between different models? Or the data’s bad? Or some particular project used that model a large amount in those specific months?

      • MudMan@fedia.io
        13·
        4 个月前

        A token is the “word” equivalent as far as AI is concerned. It’s just not a full word, it’s whatever unit of meaning the neural network has decided makes sense (so “ish” can be a token by itself, for instance). Point is, tokens processed is just a proxy for “amount of text the thing spat out”.

        At a glance, and I haven’t looked into it, this looks like a product launch or a product getting replaced or removed, maybe putting something free behind a paywall or whatever. Definitely not the school year ending in a particular place. It’s pretty clearly misinfo, I’d just have to do more homework to figure out what kind than I’m willing to do for this purpose, but your assessment definitely makes a ton more sense than the OP.

    • bigfondue@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      4 个月前

      Yea the official end of school was like June 18th when I was in high school, but there was seldom any real work assigned the last couple weeks. Advanced Placement classes have their exams in May then nothing after.

      I just checked the calendar and this year June 6th was a Friday which seems like a likely day for the last assignments of the year to be due.

    • KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      51·
      4 个月前

      Agreed. My last day of HS was June 12, standard school year schedule. 2nd week of August to 2nd week of June.

    • killabeezio@lemmy.zipEnglish
      4·
      4 个月前

      Depends where you live. Where I am at, most schools end at the end of May, but then start around the beginning of August

    • BigDiction@lemmy.worldEnglish
      6·
      4 个月前

      Yeah without doing any research a consistent 2/3 drop is actually pretty damn compelling. Saving this to check back when US schools restart in a month

    • Opisek@lemmy.worldEnglish
      91·
      4 个月前

      Excuse me but who is “everyone else”? I am thankful to know noone who pays for this slop.

  • TheMonk@lemmings.worldEnglish
    411·
    4 个月前

    His is the scariest chart of the 2020s? Not the alarming warming spikes or the more powerful natural disasters? Who gives a shit if kids are cheating in school if they world they’re going to inhabit one day won’t leave them time for book learnin because they’re too busy surviving.

    • FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafeEnglish
      20·
      4 个月前

      Tbf, part of why shit it so bad is because people are uneducated. If they can’t think for themselves then they’ll just believe whatever bullshit Fox News or the algorithm feeds them without critically thinking about it at all

      • Alaknár@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        8·
        4 个月前

        And we’ve already seen that a company CAN change the “behaviour” of an LLM with a flick of a switch (“MechaHitler”, anyone?), so imagine people being too lazy to research/learn, and a popular LLM being run by malicious actors.

      • TheMonk@lemmings.worldEnglish
        2·
        4 个月前

        I definitely get it. The chart is bad. I just meant more like…we are so close to that point of no return on the climate. If we haven’t already surpassed it. The damage is done. It’s game over. How bad is it going to get is the question now.

  • yardratianSoma@lemmy.caEnglish
    232·
    4 个月前

    When parents fail to reinforce the value of education at a young age, this is the result. I know people personally who openly admitted to using chatgpt during finals at college, and they aren’t bad people, but they don’t see the value in the serious mastery of education, and they weren’t exactly model students before chatGPT came around either.

    • Fluffy Kitty Cat@slrpnk.netEnglish
      51·
      4 个月前

      The education system is fundamentally bullshit and they’re not wrong to try to get out of doing the make work. I just encourage them to do self-education outside of school because at least then no one’s going to make you write some dumb essay. If Chad GPT existed when I was in school you bet your butt I would have used it and retrospect I would not have been unjustified in doing so

      • WoodScientist@lemmy.worldEnglish
        31·
        4 个月前

        The education system is fundamentally bullshit and they’re not wrong to try to get out of doing the make work.

        Just because you failed to see the value of the writings you were assigned does not mean those writings were without value.

  • mastod0n@lemmy.worldEnglish
    6·
    4 个月前

    Question: which country are they talking about? When I search for summer vacation 2025 nothing comes up for June 6th.

  • Manticore@lemmy.nzEnglish
    4·
    4 个月前

    You cam see the weekends. Even after school is out and the students aren’t using it, Mon-Fri office works clearly still are.

  • ALoafOfBread@lemmy.mlEnglish
    821·
    4 个月前

    This is implying that LLM usage by students is all bad (either because of cheating or because or because of kids getting bad information from LLMs). If I were a student, I’d absolutely be using LLMs to help me organize notes, summarize things, quiz me on material, and get general overiews of certain topics/explanations of problems, etc. I’d also not assume everything it spit out was correct.

    LLMs have a LOT of problems and pose potential pitfalls for students, but they are a tool. They can be used in different ways and those ways are not all bad.

    Also school gets out on different dates in different places.

    • Oisteink@feddit.nlEnglish
      2·
      4 个月前

      LLM are powerful when used for what they are - predictive text. While I dont trust them completely you can usually catch most hallucinations of a bit cautious. Just like I don’t trust a blog post blindly.

      Have trouble understanding some topic / technology? I’ll ask two of them to explain. Or copy one answer into the next and have it verify.

    • usernamesAreTricky@lemmy.mlEnglish
      7·
      4 个月前

      That is ignoring the vast majority of usage. Read about what professors, teachers, etc. are saying about its use and you will not hear it being used as tool as the major use. Everyone claims they are using it as a tool, but most people are using them to outsource thinking, unfortunately. Which is highly problematic when the outputs of LLMs are highly wrong much of the time. You need to use the same skills to evaluate the output that people are outsourcing away. Tools like calculators at least do their tasks correctly as long as your inputs are correct. The same is not true of LLMs. Moreover, people are blindly trusting the LLMs to a point where they are completely stuck whenever the LLM can’t do something or are wrong

      Tools like calculators do not take away your ability to think logically, just to do route computation. Research is still emerging, but suggests long term negative effects on cognitive abilities from high LLM use

      Also: Regardless of if this graph is caused by schools getting out or not, it’s still very highly used in schools.

    • khornechips@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      193·
      4 个月前

      An index card full of test answers is also a tool, but you’ll find most examination centers don’t allow them.

      • Zetta@mander.xyzEnglish
        65·
        4 个月前

        You just ignored what OP said, they highlighted all the good uses llms can help students with such as test quizzes, note organizing, transcribing, etc, you ignored their comment and made an unrelated response to the content of the comment equating llm use to cheating on exams.

        • khornechips@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          8·
          4 个月前

          I didn’t ignore what they said at all. Organizing your own notes and creating summaries of topics (most grade school essays are just this) is an important part of learning and fully understanding something. Having an LLM do it defeats the purpose, same as taking an answer sheet into a test.

          • WoodScientist@lemmy.worldEnglish
            6·
            4 个月前

            Exactly. Imagine you’re taking a class. Imagine your note taking process is:

            1. Record an audio copy of the lecture.
            2. Feed the audio into an LLM to transcribe it.
            3. Have the LLM condense the transcription into notes.

            What good have you actually accomplished? The point of studying is not to produce a derivative work of a professor’s lecture. The point is to actually learn something. And this is best done by working through the material, on your own, using your own mind and faculties. It is the act of actually doing the transformation that builds the rich conceptual networks that result in effective learning.

            • snooggums@lemmy.worldEnglish
              5·
              4 个月前

              It’s almost like math teachers requiring work to be shown has a logical reason behind it!

        • Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          4 个月前

          they highlighted all the good uses llms can help students with such as test quizzes

          Wait, what? Using your brain is the entire point of most tests and quizzes.

          Outsourcing them to LLMs sounds like brainrot manifesting.

    • Euphoma@lemmy.mlEnglish
      3·
      4 个月前

      Uh I’m a student and the only real thing most people do with LLMs is make it do their work for them. At least the good students will use it to avoid doing busywork. I used it in my physics college class to do my homework because the class was easy, and I got an A on the final exam.

  • Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    161·
    4 个月前

    This seems like a good place for a thought i had yesterday. I was driving home and watched a younger woman, no older than 20 take a corner fast and sharp on the sidewalk. She was on one of those electric scooters you can rent. My first thought is how fun that would have been at that age. Then i really started thinking.

    Here was this young woman pretty sure at driving age but vehicle prices are out of control. So owning even a beater may be too much for many. I had a scooter very similar but you had to push it everywhere. The deference is, I was eight. I think what I’m trying to find the words for is their privilege of a motorized scooter came at a price they’ll never even understand.

    These poor youth think they have it easy with there motorized scooters and chatgpt for answers. Truth is there are benefits to some things, maybe history will show I’m being an old fuddy duddy but I know i would still rather afford a cheap car than have rentable scooters.

    Maybe like my teachers before me they will only be half truths. My teacher was right, I don’t carry a calculator on me at all time. The supercomputer the size of that old calculator, that just so happens to also have that function? Well, its never far.

    • Aneb@lemmy.worldEnglish
      7·
      4 个月前

      Hey I’m one of the youths in their 20s who can’t afford a car because America devolved into a third world country by the time I aged into adulthood. I bought my first car, 3 years ago and it broke down within a few months, then I bought a car with my partner so we would have wheels. We are divorced now. No car and I only have an ebike so I’m thankful for the transportation I do have, at least I don’t have to ride the bus

      • Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        1·
        4 个月前

        Thats rough. I wish i could say it will get easier but after 40 years I’ve noticed it doesn’t. I truly hope you get ahead. It’s not easy out there right now. Cheers mate.

    • Bluewing@lemmy.worldEnglish
      182·
      4 个月前

      Despite being from a time before the internet, pocket calculators and smart phones, (my first “calculator” was a slide rule), I’m as quick to adopt and master tech as I find a need for it. I like shiny new tech.

      But as someone who also spent a few years teaching math in a my local and very rural school, I was not very generous with the use of that super computer in your pocket in my classroom. The reason being I wanted you to get your fingers dirty and greasy playing and manipulating those numbers yourself. I wanted to you develop a personal relationship with them and have at least a basic idea of the how and why they work.

      Modern tech is great if you already have an understanding of how things work and can simply view it as a tool. But modern tech pretty much prevents people from developing the basic understanding of the how and why things work. And we are all dumber for it.

      • swelter_spark@reddthat.comEnglish
        2·
        4 个月前

        When I was growing up, programmable calculators were allowed in math class, but not required. Even so, I was the only kid in my class without one. (They were expensive then.) I failed every test, both because the work was difficult without all the formulas saved, and because the problems were complicated enough that I never had time to finish.

        • Bluewing@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          4 个月前

          The school I taught in was rural and poor. Part of my budget was for calculators, so I had enough TR99’s and the school issued chromebooks for each student to use. My students would moan and groan about not getting to use a calculator, but they quickly understood why and when we would use them or not.

          I wasn’t a tyrant about using them. Sometimes, those magic devices made complex tasks far more approachable and teachable. But you need a good basic foundation to get the best out of them.

      • restingboredface@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        7·
        4 个月前

        Thank you for making your students do that. I’m sure it made them miserable at the time but I guarantee they are better for it.

        In college I had a similar experience with statistics. I had to run a factor analysis by hand start to finish, calculating standard deviations, means, and all the other crap, showing work over 3 pages to get eigenvalues and all that. It sucked, but dammit if I dont have a WAY better appreciation for how it works now than I ever would have otherwise.