Also, I’m pretty sure it got called Buy From EU because they wanted to create some sort of tribal attachment and appeal to a broader cultural connection, therefore highlighting the cultural divide between Americans and “Europeans.” Culture, culture, culture… Huh, I wonder what ideology has such a focus on culture… Bingo!

Yes I’m sure it’s a “marketing” thing, to be catchy. I don’t think its about divide, though. I still don’t dislike americans or think that europeans are superior somehow, I just think this year has shown as that USA as a country can’t be relied on and it would be dangerous to continue to do so. Hence why avoid their products. I don’t like that youtube has no alternative and literally everyone and their grandma around me are using facebook messenger, for example. If everyone here stopped using these (not going to happen btw), it wouldn’t be because of nationalism, I tell you that.

And please, the goal is not to “avoid USA products.” That’s not what this is about, and if you make it about that then it’s not a question of if nationalism will creep in; it’s a certainty. Make it about supporting EU-businesses, about strengthening the regional economy, and about showing that great products and services can be produced outside of monopolies!

I’m a bit confused why you think this isn’t about avoiding USA products and why you say it with such confidence. The president of USA said/did bad things, the movement started/skyrocketed to avoid USA products, its not rocket science.

Make it about supporting EU-businesses, about strengthening the regional economy, and about showing that great products and services can be produced outside of monopolies!

Yes, I think that’s it.

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I think conservatism is hypocrisy, and nationalism is inherently contradicting and artificial.

I mean sure, but I’m saying these tend to not be the kind of people who want to avoid USA products. Like, afd members are probably not boycotting Teslas or twitter etc right now, if you know what I mean.

No I don’t mean american liberals, i mean its more liberals in general (canada, EU…) supporting this kind of movement, american liberal leaning people seem to be supportive of it too as far as I can tell.

I can’t speak for others, but at least I am trying to avoid USA products, not because suddenly I feel like local products are superior (in many cases they are not, often there is no alternative at all), I just don’t want to support this corporate capture bullshit in USA. That’s it. There’s nothing conservative about it. I really don’t know why they called it buyfromEU or buyeuropean or whatever, but what i’m noticing is that if you want to avoid USA products, almost every alternative is from EU (as long as you want to avoid China too). And it’s not really about EU anyway, people promote Canada or UK stuff all the time.

The problem with boycotting is that it requires A LOT of people to care. I doubt boycotting alone does much, unless usa keeps getting worse and more people start to care. But maybe Europe can at least become motivated enough to make it’s own alternatives for things that usa currently has monopolies on. If we just look at it as a boycott, it’s not much, but perhaps this anti-usa sentiment can wake Europeans up at least to come up with some better alternatives.

Eh I just don’t see it… There are just too many ideological conflicts between being nationalist/myNation and being motivated in participating in the avoid USA movement in the first place. The way I see it, they are direct opposite crowds.

For example, do you think Canadians are in danger of going full nationalist because they are avoiding usa products now because Trump wants to make them 51st state?

If anything, it’s mostly a liberal movement.

Funny, I remember in 2017 the voice chat had mic issues all the time but now that works much better. But I suppose everything else got bloated…

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How would that work though? Nationalistic people tend to be anti-EU, no?

yeah my analogy is not so good… LLMs suck with factual stuff, they are better with coding or languages (Claude has been really helpful to me with Estonian).

I should had clarified i’m not an american, i’m from eastern europe.

Well yes, they are glorified text autocomplete, but they still have their uses which could be considered “smart”. For example I was struggling with a programming thing today and an LLM helped me out, so in a way it is smarter than me in that specific thing. I think it’s less that they are dumb and more that they have no agency whatsoever, they have to be pushed into the direction you want. Pretty annoying…

I spend too much time online and this has probably created a bias, it looks like most people around me don’t really care. Yesterday I even stumbled upon some comments on Lemmy who thought BuyFromEU was about European nationalism and not about the shit that is going on in USA… Sigh. Anyway, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle, not good to hate too much, but it seems healthy to trust USA a bit less now. /rant

LLMs are smart in the way someone is smart who has read all the books and knows all of them but has never left the house. Basically all theory and no street smarts.

I guess they are talking about re-encoding because video files are already compressed.

I’m not the OP, but it’s a headache even with trash guides

I thought BuyFromEU was more about avoid US products… You know, because the Trump antiques and the corporatism there

C’mon you have the fucking Internet, you can just search this shit yourself if you want more information.

No I don’t think I will.

Ok I’ll buy an airbus next time

I’d rather buy American than nestle… And I don’t buy American.

…what?