I watch a lot of high speed police chase videos, kind of a guilty pleasure of mine. It’s fascinating stuff. One thing I’ve noticed is that while the State Troopers seem to have a higher level of training, when approaching a vehicle local PD will often just run up on all sides with guns out. So, you hear a lot of “watch the crossfire!” from the troopers. On the side of the road bystanders are rarely a hazard, but the same lack of positioning would surely be a hazard to bystanders in different circumstances. So yes i definitely I agree that police officers need more situational awareness training before they can use lethal force- especially in somewhere as packed as a subway station.

I think “Police shot innocent bystander in the head by accident” accurately captures the situation. The police were the ones who did it, but they didn’t do it on purpose.

You keep changing the goalposts on me. First of all, doctors DO have a long history of racism. Just look up racism in medicine, there are plenty of examples, including teaching for a long time in medical textbooks that black people don’t feel pain as acutely as white people. Then there’s also the whole euthanasia thing. In my home state of North Carolina, for decades doctors involuntarily sterilized black (usually homeless) patients. There was a big settlement a few years back.

To this day, black women are way more likely to die in childbirth. The reasons for for that are complicated but it has been suggested that racism is a factor (not taking the complaints and concerns of the women seriously).

I think the medical field has largely cleaned up their act, but they didn’t get there by being told that All Doctors are Bastards. They got there by the long, slow, unsexy process of reform.

I am all for police reform. But saying “all cops are bastards” is no more truthful than saying “all doctors are bastards” a century ago.

No not really, but you can do both. Ranked choice voting has already been enacted in several places in the US and they didn’t get there by electing third- party majorities

https://www.rcvresources.org/where-is-rcv-used

The trick is to support ranked-choice voting in the meantime

You didn’t say anything about civilians. And besides, police officers can only use lethal force in either self defense or to protect others. In fact, that’s the same standard for “lawful homicide” as literally anyone else.

Replace cops with “doctors” or “engineers” or literally anything- why do people only make this argument with cops?

Soldiers.

But anyways, i think it’s just as reprehensible for, as an example, an engineer to not report his coworker cutting corners on an infrastructure project that could jeopardize an entire community (maybe he wanted to meet a deadline to make himself look good, maybe he took money under the table from an interested party) as for a cop to not report his coworker who took a bribe from a drug dealer. In both cases, the bystander has equal ability to intervene and potentially save lives. The fact that the police officer has the right to use force as part of their job description isn’t really relevant.

There is nothing inherently immoral about being a police officer though (as opposed to being a Nazi). Everyone but anarchists understands the need for police officers/“Violence of the state” in some capacity.

Haha welcome to Lemmy m8. I’ve gotten into this exact argument before. I’m all for police reform and I was out there in the George Floyd protests but the hatred of police officers on this platform is absolutely rabid.

Imo, the argument that ACAB because the good ones don’t stop the bad ones can be applied to virtually any group of people. So we’re all bastards I guess.

A lot of people don’t know that Abraham Lincoln was a big proponent of prohibition. It was seen by progressives as an important step to move society forward.

Jsyk, Kelvin doesn’t use degrees, they just use Kelvin. Good to know so nerds won’t get mad at you :)

Mostly off topic but check out the flash game “Timemu” (time emu). A silly little game involving coordinating your efforts across multiple timelines, it reminds me of Portal.

Haha are you implying that Lemmy isn’t an echo chamber?

It isn’t stated that they knew it was closed when they arrived. They might have figured it out after the fact.

Source https://youtu.be/iioIRryc4_o Yikes… I think in context he was referring to politicians but he might have mentally been thinking “black politicans”.

There’s a big difference between receiving money as a loan to do something the government wants (in this case, build electric vehicles) and begging the government for money because you’re broke. During the recession Ford was notable for being the only major American car company that didn’t ask for a bailout. Their American employee headcount fluctuates year to year but it’s up over the last decade btw.

Is it? Is it a well established fact exactly? Because nobody has shown me any evidence of it and the only people who ever bring this up are leftists.

Look, you come to me with the claim that liberal news outlets are focusing too much on lies by Kamala Harris, with no evidence except a made up hypothetical, in addition to the made up hypothetical in the original post. I point out that in terms of numbers they are reporting about 8x as many falsehoods for Trump as his opponents, which is apparently a problem in itself- I guess because it belies the fact that Trump lies even more than that? I’m not going to scroll through the thousands of examples but from what Ive seen all their fact checks of Biden and Harris are substantial- not meaningless mistakes or inaccuracies. Meanwhile, Trump made the embarassing mistake of confusing two black lawmakers on that helicopter ride and that was front page news on sites like NYT. I would say the burden of proof is squarely on your shoulders to prove that they are being unfair towards Democrats.

As far as the role of media goes, I think we will have to agree to disagree. I think that the loss of credibility and increased political polarization that happens when news organizations become activist outweighs the benefits but that is just my opinion.

I read through a few of her articles just now. I’m not detecting any pro-Trump bias: she seems very skeptical of the Trump/Gabbard/RFK alliance and has been in the news for talking about how “shaken” Trump was after the DNC. Also, even if she was a secret conservative that is not indicative of NYT as a whole.