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  • As I said elsewhere, this isn’t a surprise and nor is this related to Trump. Television is dying in general, late night and talk shows being hit fairly hard during all of it. The studios put so much money into these shows but they’re constantly losing money because people are watching more on YouTube than anywhere else and they can’t get the same money there.

    Kimmel will probably be the next to go. Large amount of money goes into that show and Kimmel doesn’t have all the shows Fallon has which means he won’t have the same pull in protecting himself.

    People are gonna keep shouting this is about Trump and the merger but these conversations about Late Night and whether it’s worth it have been going on since Craig Ferguson left. Hell, when Corden left they replaced it with @Midnight. Conan had his show reduced to 30 minutes before leaving entirely.

    This isn’t a conspiracy. It’s a trend.

    Edit: You know, Lemmy often is just as bad as reddit with shit like this. You all read headlines and invent your own theory about what happens. None of you actually pay attention to anything other than the headline. None of you are bothering to look into the fact that all Late Night talk shows are being cancelled or not renewed. None of you are considering the fact none of them are being replaced. None of you are considering the fact the entire Emmy Award Category for Variety Talk series went from 6 entries in 2019 to 3 this year. None of you are talking about the fact that Colbert’s contract was due to renew next year.

    This is some fucking weird conspiracy bullshit. I get being hesitant but like… this is not a new trend. This isn’t a standalone situation. This is a copy of the same thing we saw from other shows over the past few years. For you to reject all of that reality to instead supplement it with your own fantasy is just bizarre.

    Honestly, I’m starting to think that the whole “ignore reality and make up your own theory about something so you can get angry” isn’t a Republican thing so much as an American thing. You guys have fun with that. I’m just done with your whole clownass country.


  • tl;dr - Late Night was killed by the Internet. This has nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with the increasing irrelevance of television.

    Before I say anything else, I need to make one thing abundantly clear that these headlines keep being sketchy about. Colbert was not cancelled. His contract just wasn’t renewed. That is a pretty big distinction. One of them is ending a contract pre-emptively, the other is just deciding to not continue with those services after an agreed upon point.

    Everyone keeps suggesting this is because of Trump but you’re ignoring what has been happening to both the Late Show and Late Night in general for years. The entire format is dying. Most people don’t watch the show live anymore, they do it on YouTube. Financially that’s not viable for the studios. The cost they put into it doesn’t equal out over the amount they can get back from YouTube. It doesn’t make financial sense for them to keep making the show when no one is watching it on its primary method. They could try to pivot the entire show to YouTube but that also would be kinda hard to justify the cost.

    Like all of you in these comments seem to forget that Conan was reduced to 30 minutes before being cancelled. Seem to forget that Corden was cancelled and replaced with a game show. Seem to forget that Samantha Bee’s show wasn’t replaced by anything else either. Or Lily Singh’s. Or that the Outstanding Variety Talk Series has gone from 6 entries in 2019 to just 3 entries in 2025. Late night is dying. This isn’t a conspiracy. Or the fact that Colbert’s contract was due to renew next year.

    Why? First off, the entire market is saturated. You’ve got too many Late Night hosts to choose from, all of them in essentially the time slot or close to it. All of them then talk about the exact same thing. The only thing you’re watching one show over the other for is the host or the guests that episode. Then there’s the focus on American politics which makes sense because it’s an American show but it alienates people outside the country from watching it on YouTube. And due to it having a heavy focus on American politics, like a lot does now a days, a lot of people are exhausted and don’t want to tune in. They want an escape not another reminder. Not to mention the fact that attention spans have become shorter and we’ve gotten accustomed to on-demand viewing.

    Seth Meyers is probably the only host who could easily survive this. Fallon and Kimmel have way too much money dumped into their shows, granted Fallon has more shows so maybe more pull. Meyers runs everything on a shoestring and has a hard focus on politics, not splitting his attention. He focuses the majority of his non-Guest screentime on politics with stuff like A Closer Look as well so his show doesn’t feel quite as pulled in two directions. The guest conversations are also super relaxed and casual, seeming to focus more on smaller celebrities than having constant big ones. He’s already basically an Internet show so the transition for him is fine. Kimmel, Colbert and Fallon? They’re too big, too grandiose, too expensive and now have far too little profit from the investment.

    Edit: Downvote me all you want. This isn’t some grand plan to try and silence Colbert. The only people who listen to him are left leaning to begin with. He’s not reaching anyone new or changing minds. He’s not being the single educating point. Him being cancelled on its own might have a point but considering every late night show has been talking about the death of Late Night for years? This is a reach. Enjoy your bizarre conspiratorial nonsense. I’ll go shave with Occam.



  • At the end of the day, aside from the people like you, ValueSubtracted, and other friendly faces names I’ve come to enjoy seeing around these last couple years

    I mean Corgana and ValueSubtracted went on a campaign behind the scenes, harassing admins of various instances, trying to get me permanently banned because I left startrek.website and set up /c/TenForward. I’m going to be real? They’re exactly the problem that you’re talking about. They’re the toxic Rick and Morty from that meme… They got ran off of reddit by the users. They ran /r/StarTrek and were the reason why so many other subreddits had to be formed. To escape their abject tyranny. They then doubled down even harder and have gone completely insane on their own modlog.





  • And I’m sorry that I wasn’t clear. At first I missed the emoticon before catching it after. I should have been more clear my frustration was at the concept you were also poking fun at, not at you yourself. I was just waking up and the frustration I have for that line of thinking took full force there, the jokey lines in my head just didn’t materialize.

    I’m just supremely tired of seeing the people who actually do it, full throated. Doesn’t even matter if it’s dnd, just stuff in general. Like it seems to be harder and harder to find a conversation about the alternative of something that isn’t just “This sucks so mine is better.”

    Sorry. I need to actually wake up before getting on lemmy, not looking at it from the toilet first thing. That’s on me