This doesn’t make a lot of sense. Amanda is talking about a “woman in Tesco”, but somehow knows the reason she took the divider back. Did the woman announce this or something? Or is it just guesswork? Or is it a bullshit made-up story? You decide!

More to the point though, putting the divider would help her more than it helps the man. Because without the divider she risks the mans stuff being confused with her stuff, such that she might pay for items that aren’t hers, or just wait her own time. So why should the dude be thanking her if she’s actually just looking after her own interests? (And all that is aside from the fact that it is such a low-effort ordinary interaction that a person might not notice or care that it happened.)

I did yes. But I figure either could work!

Maybe you should write to Valve about it, rather than giving slippery-slope arguments to people who have nothing whatsoever to do with it.

You’ve said your piece. Arguing about it further is not helping anyone. It’s fermenting hostility for no benefit.

Perhaps you should discuss this with the people you are talking about. No one is this thread is demanding increases in asset values or anything like that.

Ok. There are two broad things I didn’t like. The first is that the plot is highly formulaic. I reckon that from the first time we see Julian, it is possible to predict every major plot point from that time all the way to the end of the movie. So then it’s just a matter of when and precisely how the various things will happen. Like obviously he’s going to get drawn into the rebel group, and obviously they’ll have a pregnant woman that he need to protect, and obviously there is going to be a betrayal, and obviously the people closest to him are going to die, and obviously the child will be seen as beacon of hope - etc. Its like the movie is made by snapping together a selection of off-the-shelf general-purpose tropes.

And the second thing I disliked is that several of the conversations seem like they are performed for the viewer rather than for the characters. For example, early in the movie in the car when they are discussing treatment of refugees… It reflected their views and situation pretty well to the viewer, but it made it sound like they’d barely discussed it with each other before - which I did not find plausible. I think ‘real’ people in that circumstance would already be very familiar with the situation and with each others opinion on the situation - and so the the conversation would be different. Another similar example is near the end, talking about when the miscarriages started in the hospital. It sounds like a sharing of an powerful experience, new information, very heart-felt. But it seems to me that since those events were 18 years ago, and were of critical importance to everyone on the planet, I think everyone would have been highly familiar with that kind of account. It would not be a new sharing of information. It would be an extremely well know sequence of events; and so the conversation should have been different. (And at the end, they made a comment about it beings strange living in a world without the sound of children… like, ‘no shit’ - is that a novel thought? After 18 years? It just didn’t feel real to me.)

One other particular scene I disliked was when Jasper sacrificed himself to let the others escape. I just could not believe that Theo et. al would just stand on the hill in plain sight of their pursuers, while Jasper obviously was ready to give his life to allow them to escape. They made no effort to stay hidden or anything. They’re just standing there watching, while their friend gives up his life to protect them and the one hope for humanity… a simple glance from any of the baddies could spell their doom, but they just stand and watch. Like… what the hell are they doing? I feel like the reason they stayed is that so the movie could show the death and their reaction, and avoid having to jump between different characters’ view points. And Jasper starts doing the ‘pull my finger’ thing… which I feel they only did because that kind of thing is basically the only characteristic the movie had managed to build up for Jasper that they could use as an emotional lever…

By contrast, today I watched Das Boot. Which is a much older and less flashy movie. But in Das Boot, the characters only say things that are realistic conversations for people in that situation. And the plot was not so easy to predict, because since it was not a message of hope or anything like that, it was much harder to guess how it might end. And if you aren’t watching the running-time, this makes certain action scenes fair more intense - because they could very well be the end of the movie. There is no ‘plot armour’ for these characters. So… for me, Das Boot is better than Children of Men. (The movies are very different. The only reason I’m comparing them is that I happened to watch them in succession and I thought it might be useful to help illustrate what I was talking about above.)

To clarify, what I didn’t like about it was not really about it having gaps in the details. I don’t mind that the viewer was not told the cause of the problem for example.

(At this point I started trying to be more specific about what I didn’t like - but I’ve decided to skip that. You liked the movie. That’s good. Enjoying things is good, and I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind!)

Firefox is a commercial product. Is it not?

Well, it’s partially a matter of semantics. Perhaps different people have different understandings of the word ‘commercial’. For me, I’d say that Firefox is not something a user pays for. It’s existence is not about making a profit, or strengthening a business, or anything to do with money at all - and therefore it is not a commercial product.

I agree that the engineers should be paid, and that browser development is very difficult. But nevertheless, Firefox historically has not been about maximising a profit - or even making any kind of profit at all. (Although it does seem Mozilla leadership are looking to change that.)

The text you quoted sounds like a reasonable and normal definition of a sale to me. i.e. transferring to another business in exchange for something else of value.

So yeah, Firefox previously promised not to do this, “not ever”, and now they say they need to do sell your personal data “in order to make Firefox commercially viable”.

But hang on a second… Firefox is not a commercial product. So making it ‘commercially viable’ is highly questionable in itself.

It’s a shame that Mozilla’s current leadership is more interested in self-enrichment than in the past. But Firefox is still the very best option by far. I hope that the Ladybird project becomes strong the future, if for no other reason than pressure Firefox into staying good.

It doesn’t require magic, or intervention from otherworldly spirits, etc.

Perhaps it is you who failed to see clever anti-humor in the post you are replying to!

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursive-humor)

Meh. Lemmy is a fairly small community of people who know at least enough about computer and software that they’re willing to push away from main-stream sites like Reddit. It seems kind of obvious that those same people would also be inclined to push away from Windows.

I wouldn’t call it a ‘hard-on’. It’s just a kind of obvious correlation of people’s interests. And no, it’s nothing like 1/3 of the posts. It’s just that you only think about linux when you’re reading one of those posts, and so you only think to mentally tally the posts when you’re actually reading one. It’s a kind of cognitive bias. You could easily check this by just looking at the first few pages of ‘all’ right now. There’s almost no posts about linux there at all.

Well we are talking about the greatest repository of human knowledge ever created. So we can afford to spend a little on it at least.

Google is an enormous beast. It doesn’t care about you, or me, or the good of anyone. Sometimes its goals happen to align with a common good for awhile - and so good stuff can come from that. But often their goal do not, and they cause harm while crushing any possible alternative path. And as time goes on, less and less of what google does is for the common good.

For that reason, I think it is unwise to support google. Supporting them further entrenches their power, preventing others from contributing.

The smart engineers you spoke of would still be smart engineers with or without google. Google didn’t create them. They can still contribute with or without Google. But Google did direct their efforts to suit Google’s own needs. - Sometimes that’s also good for other people, but often it is not.

In a similar way to how feudalism is people?

I agree with that. But the claim was that capitalism puts profit above all else, not necessarily that individual people do that.

When you switch Wine to a newer version, if the Wine developers have updated Mono or Gecko, Wine will show a popup asking if you want to download them. That happens when your version is outdated or missing.

Hmm. But I’m not manually installing Wine. As far as I’m aware, the only implementations of Wine I have have been installed via Bottles (and via Steam, I guess). So for me, getting a new version of Wine basically means going to the ‘runners’ tab in the Bottles preferences menu, and clicking download on a newer version of something. And that has never shown any kind of popup. It just downloads it, and then I later select that new version in a menu for to choose to use it. So I guess I don’t really know when or if mono and gecko ever get updated. If it is integrated into the runner, I suppose they are upgraded like that - but I suspect they are not, because I manually installed wine mono to resolve that first error message.

I reckon somewhere in this business is where the problem is.

I don’t know how familiar you are with Wine, but for the future remember: dxvk is not the default Wine implementation for DirectX 9–11. By default Wine uses wined3d, which is slower but often more robust. So if something doesn’t work, just try disabling dxvk.

However, in Bottles there’s currently a bug (I think) where to switch properly you first need to change the Wine version to an older one, and then back to the version you actually want to use.

I didn’t know either of those things. And that’s good info for testing purposes. Thank you again.

I believe that Heroic Launcher is good and trustworthy, but nevertheless I don’t particularly want to be giving my GOG details to a third party. And in general, I prefer things to be simple and isolated. So I don’t really want integration with different accounts anyway. I’d prefer to just say “this is the thing I want to install, and this is where I want it to be installed”.

It might be possible to use Heroic Launcher in a way that would suit me, but the one time I did try to install a game with it, it didn’t work and I wasn’t sure where it had tried to install it, or why it didn’t work… and so I basically just went back to what I was doing in the first place - which was installing games in Bottles. (And although I’ve spent ages trying to work out this particular problem, the fact is that I can still play every windows game I have with Bottles, including this new one.)

[edit] I feel like a lot of the replies past this point kind of ignore what I’ve just said. The short of it is that I’m not intending to use Heroic in the near future. I understand and appreciate that many people think its a great product. But different people have different priorities and values. I have my reasons for not using it, and the testimonials don’t really address the topic of this thread. Note: the main goal of the thread is ‘how can understand and fix this bottle problem’, rather than ‘how can I get this game working’. I can already get the game working.

I use Linux on my home computer, and Windows on my work computer (begrudgingly).

Windows 11 does not feel like an ‘upgrade’ at all. One obvious downgrade is that when I try to change the settings when printing a document, the settings window does not fit on the screen. … I don’t blame Windows for that - its a big settings Window. But the issue is that Windows doesn’t allow me resize it, or scroll down on it, or even let me drag it partially of the screen. And so the result is that it is impossible for me to click the ‘ok’ button when I’m done. The only way to save my changes is if I memorise which button is ok, then press ‘tab’ the exact right number of times to have it select the ok button while I can’t see it, and then press enter. That’s pretty crap. I didn’t have that problem on windows 10. (To be honest I don’t remember exactly what was different. Certainly the window with all the settings was the same, but I believe it had a scroll bar, maybe? In any case, I could certainly press the ok button before ‘upgrading’!)

There are so many annoying features in Windows 11 that I’ve spent ages trying to turn off. For example, I was happy with the way windows could be snapped to the top and to the sides of the screen in windows 10. In Windows 11 they’ve expanded that feature, but made it worse. The snapping brings up menus, and behaves different ways at different times. It’s fiddly and harder to predict. It tries to do more, but ends up being less useful because it is unreliable. I’ve disabled most of the differences in the settings, but not all can be disabled.

And there are heaps of weird inconsistencies in Windows 11. For example, when I rename a file in file explore; often stays in the same places even though it is no longer in the correct file order with the new name. So with alphabetically ordered files, there are often a few things that are out of order - because Windows is inconsistent. (Closing and reopening reorders them.) There are also some weird glitches. For example, I often see graphical glitches while using Excel in Windows 11 which I never saw in Windows 10. Things like rows partially overlapping other rows after scrolling, or the outline of the selected cell sometimes not being visible in parts of the document until you minimise and restore the app. It’s pretty bogus. Obviously they’ve tried to change some backend stuff and created some bugs in the process.

Anyway, the point is that it easy to see why someone would be reluctant to ‘upgrade’ to Windows 11.

I also have dual-boot with Mint, because I expected to be using Windows for gaming. It turns out I have never needed to. Every game I’ve wanted to play has worked on Linux; and so my Windows partition has just sat idle.

Thanks a lot for the reply. I’ve been going through each of your suggestions.

Firstly, I’ve tested using a few different runners, including caffe-9.7, ge-proton10-15, wine-ge-proton8-26, kron4ek-wine-10.14-amd64 and a couple of others. In every case, it fails on the original bottle but works on the new. I’ve got what I think are the latest versions of dxvk (2.7.1) and dxvk-nvapi (0.9.0); but not the latest vkd3d (there seems to be a problem with the download of this in bottles at the moment. I have 2.10.).

By default, the game uses dx12. But if I launch it with -dx11 then it uses 11 instead. So I tried disabling vkd3d and launching with that command option as you suggested; again, it fails on the original bottle but works on the new one. When using dx12, there are heaps of messages in the terminal (mostly identical, but with that failure near the end only for the broken version). Whereas with dx11 there are very few messages in the terminal. The broken version gives me 00b4:err:hid:udev_bus_init UDEV monitor creation failed. (every runner gives me 002c:err:wineboot:process_run_key Error running cmd L"C:\\windows\\system32\\winemenubuilder.exe -r" (126). - but I seem to get that all the time on every app even when it works fine. So I assume that is irrelevant.)

I’m not sure what you mean about ‘can’t download the newest Mono’; because I’m not sure when / what might be trying to download Mono. Do you mean bottles itself, or the game, or something else - I’m not really sure how this stuff works exactly. In this case, I installed mono within the bottle manually by downloading and msi and running it in the bottle. I wasn’t able to find it in the dependencies list inside Bottles, so that’s why I did it manually. But I got the link to the msi download from the bottle dependency list on github. In both of the bottles, the windows uninstaller list tells me that I have 10.1.0 of the Wine Mono runtime.

All the mono stuff looks right to me, but given that I don’t know what I’m doing, I reckon its quite likely that the root of the problem is related to that stuff. Maybe I didn’t install it correctly or something.

I tried deleting the cache, and that didn’t work. I also tried copying the cache from the working version to the broken version; that didn’t work either.

Anyone, thanks again for your thoughts and info on this. I feel like the underlying message in what your saying is that I should just accept that it works in the new one and not the old one - and take that to be the standard practice for how I should do it anyway! Which isn’t exactly what I want, but perhaps it’s the best answer I’m going to get.