MBAs have destroyed the world. We used to have good paying jobs and affordable rent.
I’m sure there’s probably a few good MBA’s out there, using applied psychology to trick assholes into spending their money on the greater good.
I’ve never met one but, statistically, you know?
Hi, 'tis me, leftist with a business degree and minor in psychology that works in marketing. 🙃
I’ve considered working in marketing, but I refuse to use my powers for evil.
“You know, spending money on welfare and education is a lot less expensive than prisons and having your stuff stolen.”
Everyone should have a strong base in STEM and the humanities. It irks me to no end when STEM majors can’t write, communicate, or understand a wider historical context just as it irks me when humanities majors claim to not understand basic algebra or scientific concepts. It’s fine to have a preference, but an expert engineer should have a passing familiarity with philosophy and ethics, just as a historian should have a passing familiarity with scientific laws and mathematics.
Then there’s business majors who have no familiarity with anything at all. If I had my druthers, “business school” wouldn’t even be an option at a university.
a historian should have a passing familiarity with scientific laws and mathematics
A lot of history work is based on statistics and crunching numbers, apparently. For example, ACOUP is currently currently doing a series on the life of pre-modern peasants that involves a lot of calculating and modeling.
Not to knock college undergrad core curriculum, but that strong base ought to be acquired before graduating high school.
No can do, gotta teach students how to pass the tests that gives the school federal funding
That’s what I’ve been saying since I was in high school. Going into college, the first year felt like High School 2.0. My English professor outright asked, “Why are you in this class? I have nothing I can teach you.” Funny how we can take a test after admission to show us which subjects we need remedial classes for, but no test for us to opt-out of subjects that we’ve already mastered. Still gotta take our money and waste our time because, you know, “requirements.”
Edit: I’ve heard some people say there are opt-out tests some places, but that clearly isn’t the default. Not at the community college I went to.
I have worked at several startups where I was like employee number ten, and you can always feel the culture shift the moment they start hiring MBAs.
Yea. I can’t think of a single MBA I’ve met that wasn’t a piece of shit.
Cause theyre literally given inflated egos about “how great your business acumen is” when really theyre morally bankrupt parasites who finished (compared to real degrees) coloring books.
Jesus Christ… I’ve been a principal software engineer for 6 years now and my workplace is paying for a free MBA… should I just quit and say no thanks???
Do it - the macro effect comes from the scores of people who only have an MBA. Adding a business degree to an engineering degree likely won’t change your understanding of reality your grounded engineering view gives you.
Depends, do you think you can hold on to your humanity? Are you looking forward to working along side some of the most soul crushing people you will ever know? Really, it’s nothing more than training you to view humans as nothing more than a commodity. If you are cool with either thinking that way or operating in an environment that demands that kind of thinking…
I just wanted to add it to my resume for a pay raise… it’s a nonprofit university and completely online, so the toxic networking aspect has been minimal thus far.
Do it, it’s just better for your bank account. Kickbacks appreciated.
I reckon there are better free ways to waste your time, and many don’t require moral corruption.
I have a PhD in research psychology, and worked with researchers in a lot of other disciplines. I have been mansplained about topics in my field (including the topic of my dissertation) by more MBAs than any other field. More often than not they are vastly oversimplifying or just getting things completely wrong. Try telling them that though and it’s like talking to a wall.
I work with one on the daily. I swear, his primary expertise is in buzzwords. Tried to tell me how much better a certain format for documenting requirements is because I can let the people that require something do the documenting for me.
Never mind that this format is neither feasible outside his example case, nor even sufficient for this specific case.
I wonder if their general incompetence at most things makes them desperate to be good at something that actually matters to the point that they feel the need to act smart about shit they don’t really understand. Especially when you think about the nature of their field and how horrible their peers are/also are it really starts to be a bad feedback loop. And then there’s the extra fun part about the kind of people that MBA programs attract in the first place.
It must be awful, them constantly having to justify their existence as parasites. I’d feel bad for them if they didn’t cause huge amounts of damage at all levels while avoiding therapy.
Yeah I do think there is something to the culture of MBA programs. All the information available for current and prospective students at my university was very much of the tone that mbas change the world. The halls of the business school were filled with famous rich people who’d visited the school or gifted money along with plaques about MBA grads and the amazing things they did. It’s just full of subtle reminders about how the degree is a gateway to being some big powerful person. I’m sure that makes an impact on the students’ attitudes.
Fucking finally we’re talking sense.
The ownership class and their mba lackeys have done a real bang up job not only separating the two cultures, but getting them both to think through the mental model of business and profit whenever they’re pondering how to practice their profession.
As a STEM graduate, I would much rather hold hands with an econ graduate than a business graduate. Economists can do real good for the world, while MBAs seem to be mostly harmful.
Economists can do real good for the world
If you put 10 economists in a room, you’ll get 11 opinions.
Yeah, outside of some very rudimentary principals, macro-economics is basically astrology for MBA bros.
To be fair, there are some good retrospective economists. “A happened because of X, Y and Z.”
But an economist that predicts the future is always wrong, often spectacularly.
Oh, agreed. Retrospective economic research is valuable.
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Stem major checking in for an arts/humanities major to hold hands with
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The world is powered by a collective STEAM engine:
Science, Technology, Engineering, Arts, Mathematics.
Arts is such a fundamental component for communicating advancements and inspiring the creativity that fuels further discoveries.
But, but KPI’s are how we know line go up.
Checkmate, artists!
The artists can assist by drawing a line that goes more up. Problem solved!
Notably, an esthetically pleasing line!
Can your esthetics be reduced into a number so we can put it in a line?
Yeah, didn’t thing so…
Now, get some philosopher to understand that “meta-kpi” thing. Where does it end? Where does it start? And make them reduce both to a number so we can use their work.
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^ business school level education.
Another Lembot? Must be a cursed production line…
They keep getting banned for horrendous opinions and make a new account every month or two. I just find it amusing that they figured they’d get banned around 10000 times so they preemptively used 4 digits in their username
10000 times so they preemptively used 4 digits in their username
Wait it hasn’t been shown that this is a decimal system, it might be up to 65,536 in hexadecimal
I love my artists. Without their graceful hands, I would’ve never made it through school with much depth!
you’d like that wouldn’t you
Businesses would not be terrible if business education is actually tempered with some humanities. In fact, I am strongly of the opinion that every field of study should have some humanities component to them. None of the fields exist in vacuum, we have to have at least, some appreciation of other fields, lest we risk creating silos in the name of organization. And that is precisely happening in this age of hyper-specialization.
100%.
Children are always told that they could become a scientist or engineer one day and that this would be a great thing to achieve. Scientists and engineers are so highly regarded, yet they are often complicit in creating the necessary technology and machinery for most of the worlds worst projects. Climate change, plastic pollution, nuclear weapons, are all created by the worlds smartest and all the while they’re being told they’re doing a great job and bettering the world.
Ethics needs to be mandatory in all STEM studies. Jesus at least just make them watch Oppenheimer.
Ethics is largely mandatory for engineering majors (source: am finishing my bachelor’s in electrical engineering), but the first job or project you take will ask you to throw that out the window. (Source: family members who are also engineers)
There are two areas of safety considered: Operator/client safety, and regulatory compliance. All other safeguards are optional and ignoring them is encouraged.
As a civil engineer with only a tiny bit of experience cos I switched to software. That holds true. Environmental and other ethical concerns are not even an afterthought in vast majority of engineering projects.
As a civil engineer with only a tiny bit of experience cos I switched to software.
Holy shit, I’m not the only one?!
I think this is true of most civil engineering majors I know. After getting their degrees, very few actually ended up working in civil engineering because the money was better in software or other tech.
I had very little ethics being taught in my academic career. Most of what i know is high school level philosophy (from a country that still used to care about that stuff but aiming to change it soon). I would have loved more humanity courses. On the other hand, if you had given me the choice between a course in my speciality and a humanity course, I would have chose the specialty one every time
Good point, there was also an ethics module in my engineering studies, but it didn’t really encourage you to think about where you’re employed, just what to do what you’re there. Which is useless
Does it have to be Jesus who makes them watch it or is there another deity we can use?
It is possible to degrade Jesus to just an exclamation word with no real meaning. I recommend this approach to any and all deities.
Just want to chime in and say that Karl Marx was also an econ major.
Yet, being an economist, he also neglected to base his theories in any real science, only in “business science”, which is why I’m a proponent of Kropotkin instead.
