gtk3, gtk4 (probably?) qt, qt in flatpak, gtk3 in flatpak, gtk4 in flatpak (probably)… I’m just not fighting it anymore

  • mat dave@lemmy.mlEnglish
    14·
    3 个月前

    Throw a JetBrains app in there for a complete monstrosity 🤣

    As a Gnome’r I tend to lean towards apps that I can make look like they belong, but I put up with JetBrains because there tools work really well for my needs

  • Samsy@lemmy.ml
    313·
    3 个月前

    As someone using a tiling wm idk what these buttons are for.

  • Matt@lemmy.ml
    1·
    3 个月前

    For some reason the Rust GUI toolkits don’t use WM’s window header.

  • Libertus@lemmy.world
    37·
    3 个月前

    Unfortunately, the issue is more widespread in the world of UI design. Even in closed ecosystems like Windows, you have a random mix of different UI styles, and this cancer called “flat design” makes things even worse. Carl Svensson published a nice blog post about exactly this issue a couple of years ago: https://datagubbe.se/decusab/

  • Kay Ohtie@pawb.socialEnglish
    5·
    3 个月前

    doesn’t help half of electron apps decide to theme themselves. It’s a massive pain on Windows too.

  • Sips'@slrpnk.net
    31·
    3 个月前

    This is oke of my true painpoints with linux too. However its tempting to get Hyprland working properly as that removes all windown titlebars (Hyprland is designed to be keyboard first). So at least visually that is a lot more appealing since you no longer will notice this.

      • Sips'@slrpnk.net
        1·
        3 个月前

        Nice, how did you go about removing them? And do you also close them with keyboard shortcuts? Would like to try this on KDE too!

        • nfms@lemmy.mlEnglish
          2·
          3 个月前


          I created a Window Rule and so far it seems to be working. This was a test but I’ve done it before through the Window-Specific Overrides in Windows Decorations-Edit Breeze Theme
          I use the keyboard very often and have a shortcut for that. It works for my use case, I always have windows maximized and tile them when i need it using the default keyboard shortcuts

  • monovergent@lemmy.ml
    25·
    3 个月前

    I’m very glad to see projects like libadapta as themable alternatives to the libadwaita dogma. I’ve painstakingly themed my desktop to look and feel like a cohesive, modernized NT 4 workstation and should seriously consider contributing to libadapta in anticipation of libadwaita coming to more and more programs.

    I am very stubborn about my computer’s GUI, but also hopeful the community can bring back theming where GNOME is dead set against it. If they can make WindowBlinds for modern Windows, the equivalent in Linux is definitely achievable.

    • omawarisan@lemmy.worldOP
      8·
      3 个月前

      A bit off-topic, but I really appreciate projects that respect their upstreams, and attempt to improve in their own ways (from libadapta’s README):

      LibAdwaita has the right to be what it wants to be and to not support what it doesn’t want to support.

      • whimsy@lemmy.zipEnglish
        1·
        3 个月前

        This is the first time I’m hearing something like this. People usually complain about exactly opposite of it!

    • beleza pura@lemmy.eco.br
      8·
      3 个月前

      yes because kde supports client-side decorations and server-side decorations. gnome only supports client-side decorations

    • BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      12·
      3 个月前

      I find KDE works well with GTK3 and below, but GTK4 apps are set to ignore themes, which is a design decision on the GTK4 side. They invariably look completely odd and out of place as they often force the entire Gnome app UI as well as an unalterable theme.

      And then Flatpaks also don’t generally follow system themes as they’re so sandboxed (although there are some work arounds, including making them consistent as flatpaks or allowing them access to the system theme folders to pick up themeing).

      But anecdotally I’ve not had the level of title bar variability on KDE as that screenshot. Although admittedly I do tend to actively avoid Gnome apps as I don’t like the design philosophy.

    • bitwolf@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      3 个月前

      A little? You can theme Gtk apps to match, but it’s not pixel perfect even with the stock theme.

      Its always slightly off on padding and margins, but the overall outcome looks more uniform

    • omawarisan@lemmy.worldOP
      25·
      3 个月前

      thanks a lot for the pointers, it’s so nice to see that people try to help

      but it is just exhausting trying to unify everything

      and the next flatpak is a new fight :)

  • MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca
    1317·
    3 个月前

    This is the kind of shit that stops people from migrating to Linux.

    Lack of consistency in the UI. We’re in 2025 dammit. Not 1995.

    Edit: okay, WTF Windows is now even worse?!?

    • TriangleSpecialist@lemmy.world
      521·
      3 个月前

      This below is windows 11 consistency, within their own os context menus. I am not even starting on the fact that window decorations there too are a non standardised mess.

      I agree that lack of UI consistency is less than ideal, and very real in Linux, but let’s not pretend that this is a main issue stopping people from migrating (from an equally inconsistent OS)

    • communism@lemmy.ml
      73·
      3 个月前

      How is a kernel meant to enforce anything about UI?

      I think GUI development should favour server-side decorations for consistency’s sake, but this is more of a cultural thing with what application developers are choosing to do, rather than anything “Linux” can do about.

    • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip
      8·
      3 个月前

      Edit: okay, WTF Windows is now even worse?!?

      Always has been. At least since NT. Company culture encourages features and discourages fixes. Thus it got framework after framework.

    • unfinished | 🇵🇸@lemmy.ml
      3·
      3 个月前

      It’s sad that this gets downvoted to hell. As a MacOS user who appreciates beautiful UI, this is a major pain point for me on Linux. And yes, Windows is the absolute worst at this.

    • PieMePlenty@lemmy.world
      43·
      3 个月前

      I have a theory that if everything was pixel perfect, centered, perfectly aligned and looked the same, the thing would look too sterile. There’s basically a perfect world, written down in books and texts that is being taught to students and there’s the real world. In many areas, these two do not match and the above image is the result of someone’s text book world view not matching the real world.

      Could the discover store have a better UI? Yes. Will a centered, down-anchored, pixel perfect button make it better? Subjective.

    • Xylight@lemdro.idEnglish
      252·
      3 个月前

      GNOME: Designers trying to Develop a desktop. KDE: Developers trying to Design a desktop.

      • marduk@lemmy.sdf.org
        1·
        3 个月前

        Yeah there’s no way I could come close to as-good as their UI. I’m just here to watch the CSS nerds fight

    • Kilgore Trout@feddit.itEnglish
      151·
      3 个月前


      Looks much better to me nowadays, although yes, I am not using the default Breeze theme. But if there are any problems in the theme I am using, they are much more likely to not be present in Breeze.
      Some “issues” pointed out in the picture are not issues at all.
      The “Different font styles and sizes” for example, because they are used for different things with different scopes and user interaction.

    • stuner@lemmy.world
      5·
      3 个月前

      I feel it has gotten much better in recent years. The first time I tried KDE 5 it looked weird to me. But now I acutally quite like KDE 6. Or maybe I’ve just learned to tolerate it…

    • Allero@lemmy.today
      161·
      3 个月前

      Honestly I just want KDE to do the backbone and GNOME to do the designs.

      Adwaita apps look just right, minimalistic yet powerful, pinnacle of modern simplified designs. Everything you actually need is close, and the rest doesn’t clog the view.

      The rest of GNOME is heavily meh. Customization is next to nothing, and generally any workflow falling outside the one window = one task paradigm is gonna be a pain. Settings are convoluted and sometimes straight up unreachable without additional tools or config edits (and sometimes they don’t even apply).

      I guess what unites Adwaita and GNOME project overall is the stubborn adversity to users making it comfy for themselves - it’s the GNOME way, or no way. And while Adwaita is at least actually good in its defaults, GNOME is not.

      KDE, on the other hand, is brilliant as a desktop environment, but menus could be so, so much better. So, when I have a choice, I use Adwaita-themed apps on KDE. With proper theming on KDE side of things, they come together just right.

      • pineapple@lemmy.mlEnglish
        1·
        3 个月前

        This is kinda how I feel about gnome too. I haven’t really gave it a full proper try but it’s just so hard to do any kind of customization that I just kind of gave up and switched to kde.

      • bitwolf@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        4·
        3 个月前

        Agreed completely.

        KDE just feels better and more performant. Even if GNOME Shell uses less memory in its own, it doesnt always feel good to use.

        However GNOME Shell and Adwaita are beautiful, consistent, and designed through human feedback. KDE is fragmented, too nested, and has so many conflicting designs.

        Its not possible to make KDE feel exactly like GNOME Shell but I wish I could.

    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
      1·
      3 个月前

      Kde has mostly small padding and alignment issues instead of having a completely random design.
      I can live with that.