The entire world is fucked and pickering its butthole with ww3 about to start
The voters created this mess. The real argument should be for education.
The voters did what they were supposed to do: vote.
The fact that the system of democracy has been slowly eroded over time and never updated with new knowledge is the failing of Congress.
Mass manipulation by social media is why we are where we are. Stupid voters have been around for all of democracy.
I mean, half of voters did. But I agree about education
Critical thinking skills and being able to form your own opinion and back it up with evidence should be taught in grade school. Most people don’t get an introduction to this until college.
I’d be pretty happy if elementary logic was a high school requirement.
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By billionaires, by trump, by right wing extremists, by religious idiots, by general idiots, by…
By fascists. Don’t forget them they are the same people you are talking about.
For sure
Can’t talk bad about fascists in America anymore.
I’m not American so I will say it for you. MAGA are fascists, billionaires are supporting it and are thereby fascists, religious groups are all in as well; they view him as a messiah who will lead your nation to greatness, all fascists. Over 25% of your nation is outright fascist at this point.
That’s not even an opinion anymore, it’s just an accurate description of events in the country
Except a third or more of that 80% thinks the crisis is the “violent radical left antifa superpredators.”
Superduper predators, raawr
Thy aren’t thinking they’re being told. And they ain’t questioning it
No they don’t.
They pretend that they believe this because it allows them to hurt you.
And you’re letting them.
I think the one thing both sides are fully aware of, we live in vastly different realities.
As designed by the GOP, for the GOP. They are the terrorist organization Donald trump is so worried about, but he keeps mixing it up and calling them “the radical left.”
The dementia is spreading across the entire GOP base. They all forgot what being a conservative was.
You’ve got a bunch of weasels in the hen house. Everyone’s eggs are at risk
Of voters. If that’s the only group that gives a shit we’re doomed.
The US or all of America? The US snobs keep writing “America” as if the US is the only thing that consists of America.
So yeah there’s a difference obviously, and I live in the US so people around me always use it that way.
But when I see somebody in European media refer to the American people, or some country getting aid and/or bombed by “America” or “the Americans” it is almost certainly about the USA.
I think there are similarities with other regions if not single countries. Hopefully this isn’t an American thing too, but when somebody refers to Asian people it often means East Asian, and not somebody from Saudia Arabia or northern Russia.
I’ve noticed recently that our European family and friends have this pattern where they’ll call it America or the USA when they’re saying something positive or hopeful about the country, but then they’ll say “the States” or “the US” when being critical or showing concern. It’s very interesting and I wonder how common that is.
This is such a dumb argument. You know who and what people talk about. Fucking no one is talking about “the Americas” on a regular basis. No one.
Just say US then. If the US is so great and so proud, say US. Latin America exists. It ain’t not there.
the fact that you said Latin America already undercut your point. everyone knows what the title says. language is supposed to be cooperative.
this is no different than if i said “I’m going to Korea next month” and someone was like “um, what do you mean by Korea? are you talking about ROK or DPRK? coz the latter would be tough, and I doubt you’re going all over the entire Korea” like shut up you know what i mean
Take responsibility. The US is causing all the problems right now. USA USA USA
what
Best Korea
USAian?
No one that is talking about Latin America is saying America. Get over it. Not gonna happen.
USA USA USA
Latin America is a thing. Get over it.
Si. Latin America. Thanks for proving the point.
Hmmm. Who are you again?
It’s just colloquialism, comrade, it’s not that deep. It’s not as though Canada calls themselves Canada of America, and Mexico is already the United States of Mexico. No other American country even have the continents in their name, northern or southern.
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Political crisis?!? They just transitioned from a democracy to a monarchist authoritarian regime.
Well you people voted for it, or rather, didn’t bother to vote to avoid it.
The only way out is;
- Landslide against Republicans for 2026 MidTerms.
- Landslide agains Republicans in 2028; to the point where they no longer exist.
- New progressive Democratic Party.
- Landslide against Right-Wing Democrats in 2030 Midterms
- Landslide against Right-Wing Democrats in 2032.
It’s definitely not going to be that easy
And even if it were, we definitely aren’t going to get all those things.
That’s assuming that America is going to have free and fair elections (if at all) ever again.
I admit that that is a pretty big assumption, but I do have faith in the people.
It may be misplaced faith.
What if 8 years of election fraud bullshit was the setup to poison the waters when they actually use the techniques?
This is Russian psyops 101: play/fund both sides so when both are revealed corrupt, the populace is too confused to know what’s real.
So republicans say, for years, “Your Russian election claim is a hoax!” And then we get, “They stole the 2020 election!”
Now we have more statistical information showing signs of manipulation, but because Republicans have called out their opponent as manipulating elections, researchers are afraid too report facts based on voting tabulation.
We are in crisis. The country is socially fractured. We’ve been manipulated by our enemy (Russian oligarchs/mob/Putin). They repeated the lies enough that MAGA will believe any dumb shit while Democrats look like they are using Republican insults or tactics.
We’ve all been duped.
I’m pretty certain the 2024 election was rigged.
Whether it was voter intimidation, voter suppression, gerrymandering, voter fraud, vote buying, or outright manipulation of the tabulation machines there is no doubt it was. Of course you could say the same of just about every election minus the possible tabulation tampering.
Idk why you would when they’ve failed so often for so long in that country.
Fiction writing is an art.
the only way out is voting
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I mean i haven’t seen you start the armed insurrection yet
I am not advocating violence! Don’t forget labor stoppages and organized boycotts and blockading highways/rails/ports and mass demonstrations in the cities, things that require us to be active but don’t require mass violence. I’m not even against voting, but saying it’s our only hope means waiting to die if they rig or cancel the elections.
Besides, I can’t just run off as an individual and start the revolution by myself. Adventurism is bad. We need to be organized.
Famously, the way out of fascism has not been through democratic means. Fascist dictators tend to rig the democratic process to the point where it is obviously no longer democratic. The US has been seeing this since the founding of the country (electoral college, gerrymandering, voter suppression, 3/5ths compromise, lack of any federal direct ballot initiatives, mass propaganda campaigns like the Red Scare, etc.), but has only accelerated as more time has gone on, but more extreme contemporary examples would be countries like Russia, North Korea, or China.
The US also has a two party state due to the first past the post voting system that only accelerates this process faster, as the two parties are both corporate parties, and no party represents the will of the workers/lower classes.
Capitalists and fascists alike will do anything and everything in their power to both maintain and expand their power. The only exceptions are when there are mass, well-organized protests/uprisings/boycotts, but the corporations/the state also controls the media and now also the majority of the Internets’ communication services when “Web 2.0” started replacing less centralized services, making mass organization much more difficult.
Don’t get me wrong: We are indeed fucked beyond repair.
However, we have a dying fascist autocratic president who is trying to achieve dictatorship. We don’t have a dictator quite yet. And chances are he’ll be dead before he achieves that goal.
We’ll just become a rightwing hellhole as Vance more competently consolidates power for capital than Trump could dream of. And then the Democrats will probably barely win the presidency but it wont matter because they probably wont have the Senate, they definitely wont have the courts, and maybe even not have a majority in the House with all the gerrymandering. Nothing will get done and we’ll rot and liberals and socialists will be at each other’s throats too much over Trump’s previous repeated victories to pull anything together to meaningfully fight back.
This is interesting. Do you know how to get out of the corpo fascist death spiral?
Organize en masse. Look at what Nepal was able to do. Also be sure to have a permenant solution to corruption that the majority can agree on. I prefer Prof. Richard Wolff’s ideas personally, and I think avoiding centralized power as much as possible is of great importance.
Also have a voting system that isn’t on Discord that is very hard to hack by experienced hackers. I think blockchain voting can work very well for this. I understand the word “blockchain” is associated with cryptocurrency, but that can be changed. The voting system must also be transparent. If using software, open source, cryptographically signed software is a must.
If there are three or four points/demands that can be focused on that are easy to remember, even better. Look at how Bernie was able to bring the idea of single payer healthcare to the masses. Maybe something like this:
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All businesses must be owned by the workers and run democratically.
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Hard wealth cap of $50 million, including unrealized gains, tied to inflation. Enough to comfortably retire, but not enoigh to buy political favors.
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All basic necessities such as food, water, shelter, sewage, higher education, healthcare, internet, etc. provided to everyone free of charge paid for by taxes.
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Universal basic income tied to inflation so that people who can’t or don’t want to work can still persue hobbies and produce art without worry about failure.
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Not to make light of your great rundown here, but to attempt to maybe put this in more palateable terms for normies:
You gotta fight…
…for your right…
The ratchet effect will ensure #3-5 never happen. I think we need to forget about #1-2 and go for #3 first and start treating 1/4 and 2/5 as the same.
Even if 1 happened, the tilt in politics would ensure that 2 doesnt happen. Every time we get a step like 1, the right wing pivots to blaming democrats for any legitimate (and plenty of illegitimate) grievances. Which is obviously lapped up by the ignorant morons and hands power back to the republicans. Over and over again this happens. We get a Clinton, then comes a Bush. We get an Obama, then comes a Trump. We get a Biden, then comes another Trump. Its just the same cycle of braindead stupidity over and over again.
Even if Democrats sweep the midterms, or somehow by a miracle get back the presidency after that, then ultimately power will be handed back to the Republicans in the following terms. The time to prevent any of this was when Democrats had full control of the government over ten years ago. But hindsight is 20/20 I suppose, and decorum was the flavor of the day. I doubt anyone imagined that established political decorum would be thrown out the window to the extent that it has been
What the heck do the other 20% think? All is fine? Or are they just off-grid for months?
TIL 20% of Americans live in a persistent vegetative state.
For reference, only 84% of Americans believe the Earth is round. . That this statement has about as much agreement is not surprising, but it’s worth keeping in mind that 15%-20% of people are going to disagree with literally any statement you poll them on, even basic facts.
Clears that up.
Didn’t Universal Background Checks have like 91% support after Sandy Hook?
I remember it because I’d never seen anything poll so high in the US.
People vs politicians. The people need to clean house.
What should we try doing differently?
Ranked. Fucking. Choice. Voting.
The states should work together to run special elections to replace everyone in house, senate, courts and then president. Any president level decisions shall be approved by the states of the people till someone is elected…… in a very broad explanation.
Step one is to purge neoliberals from the Democratic party. It needed to be done about ten years ago though, but I guess now is the second best time.
I’ve been told to vote for better Dems for 25 years, while they ratfuck anyone even slightly progressive.
They either ratfuck them in the primary with some rigged primary process, or ratfuck then after the primary by allowing Dems to run independent and split the voter base, withholding endorsements, giving half hearted endorsements and when the progressive candidate loses use the outcome of their ratfucking to justify moving further right because anyone left of Nixon is “unelectable”
If one miraculously makes it through those two ratfucks, they will then do anything in their power to make sure they have as little influence as possible on the party, David Hogg found this out firsthand, or in the halls of power, like when they passed over progressives to put a cancer riddled and dying Neolib into a committee chair.
If insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, it’s not clear to me how continuing to support the Dems is going to start working. The neolibs own the party and they don’t seem very interested in divesting their power.
Maybe it’s time for a new party. The danger of splitting the vote when you are already losing and even in the face of authoritarian christofascism somehow less popular than authoritarian christofascism makes me think there’s not much to lose
If insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results, it’s not clear to me how continuing to support the Dems is going to start working.
So, you think we need a brand new approach and a 3rd party is it? I’m not interested in political strategy from someone who doesn’t realize that third parties have run in every election since forever.
Your “new” strategy has its own track record, and it’s even worse than the one you want to abandon. At least the inside strategy hasn’t helped any Republicans win. You are either ignorant, or a Republican.
The inside strategy has given us two trump presidencies and has directly led to the current situation we find ourselves in.
The progressive caucus is the group that needs to divorce itself from the DNC.
Progressive policies are widely popular and the progressive brand is not marred by the same unpopularity as the democrats.
They should continue to run under the democratic ticket while converting their caucus machinery into a viable replacement party that can displace the DNC. Instead they currently act as an organ of a failed party that has proven time and again that they are unable to win elections.
The inside strategy has given us two trump presidencies and has directly led to the current situation we find ourselves in.
How are you not getting this? The outside strategy was also in play, and it also led us to where we are today. The only difference is that the inside strategy has actually made some progress while the outside strategy has achieved exactly dick.
You don’t get to restart the clock on the outside strategy every single election. It’s not new. It has a track record, and it’s nothing to be proud of. In theory the outside strategy is bad, and on reality it’s even worse. Grow up
You aren’t revealing some mystical secrets of the universe I’m too dense to understand.
I know the DNC would love to blame their electoral failure on third parties. They aren’t a shitty uninspiring party that cant articulate an authentic compelling vision for the future, it’s the stupid voters. These dumb dumb voters just won’t vote for them because they got tricked, hood winked into voting for, I forget who was the spoiler that cost Harris her victory. I know people like to blame Bernie for 2016, even though the actual data clearly showed Bernie voters loyally voted along with the party in greater numbers than Clinton voters did for Obama.
You think you are being the adult in the room stamping your feet and throwing a tantrum that the dumbass voters dont want to vote for the garbage neolib party that offers them nothing. I’ve got an adult sized wake up pill for you PARTIES HAVE TO WIN VOTES! And if your solution is to tell everyone, the party is fine we just need these dumbass voters to fall in line, you’ve got bigger problems than arguing with some guy on Lemmy.
Why a new party, and not one of the existing third parties?
A fresh start. Branding is all about conceptions, and retro-fitting an old party brings baggage. Green party for example being ecologically focused, for example.
Interesting… What branding do you think would get the most votes?
Change. It is what got Obama into office, and the same for Trump. Ordinary Americans are fed up with the status quo - ghost jobs, bad pay, not enough time to be a human, the malice of ICE, and more.
I suspect that people won’t accept Hope. Depending on how it is worded, maybe Drain the Swamp 2.0, if it targets Trump and friends specifically.
