This is definitely on the horizon and future generations won’t even be aware of a time when you didn’t pay a subscription for every aspect of life. (TikTok screencap)
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Eye tracking integration means that each second of diverted attention adds another ad to the queue
Meanwhile some Europeans inherited a 1962 Liebherr Fridge that still works in 2050
Every cooling cycle blows a hole in the Ozone layer the size of Sweden
We simply put all our printing appliances into the stratosphere. The ozone produced from the printing process closes the hole again
Most of the older stuff is really energy inefficient. That said they have looser tolerances so they break less and keep on chugging.
The new stuff has tighter tolerances and is made to reduce cost. These powers combined make them shit.
The worst part is that in a lot of cases paying more won’t actually get you out of the trash. They just strap smart garbage to the cheap shit. You have to pay 5 to 10 times the amount for an actual decent appliance (ie one that’s just good at doing what it is supposed to do) and even then it’s a gamble.
IDGAF about energy efficency when entire datacenters are dedicated to making uncanny valley porn from stolen data.
Yeah we had to replace our piece of shit Samsung fridge this year and after doing days of research it turns out pretty much all fridges are pieces of shit these days.
And the few that aren’t, start at $13k.
Smart fridges don’t even improve storing food.
I won’t buy a smart fridge until they can play Tetris with the food inside.
Don’t you do that every time you fill it?
Do you really want a row of your food disappeared when you arrange it neatly?
It depends on how long the food had been in the fridge…
But without a smart fridge, how am I supposed to play Doom in my kitchen?
We’ve seen how this goes: Eventually if you need a new fridge, you won’t have a choice.
It’s just like smart TVs.
Smart tvs aren’t as bad of a concept as smart fridges. A smart TV is better at being a TV than it otherwise would be, purely because it is smart. A fridge doesn’t have that. There is no way that a fridge can be better at being a fridge by being smart.
The one smart feature I could see useful on a fridge would be for it to send me some sort of notification if the door is left open. Perhaps it could also send a notification if the temperature inside gets too warm (or too cold) - which assuming the door is shut would probably mean the fridge is broken.
With that said, I’m perfectly happy with a dumb box that gets cold inside and has a simple electro-mechanical switch to turn the light on when the door is opened.
Or…
Beep if the door is open.
Regulate the temperature automatically.
No AI.
Nope. A TV’s sole job is to shit photons into my eyes. I have different appliances to tell it which photons those should be.
It’s all about marketing. “This smart fridge uses quantum AI technology to do neural scans of the contents of your fridge, allowing it to adjust the temperature and humidity perfectly for your food, making it crisp and moist!”
I mean, smart fridge COULD be scanning its contents and adjusting the cooling intensity based on that. My dumb fridge always freezes vegetables because even when set to lowest setting the cooling is too much.
But corpos would rathed stuff ads everywhere instead of making actually usefull upgrades.
If the lowest setting freezes your food, turn it up.
Yes, and use the contents it has scanned to sell to advertisers.
Lettuce is the only food that can be simultaneously crisp and moist
What about onions?
You keep moist onions in your refrigerator?
That fridge competes with a dumb fridge from a budget brand that costs 200 to 300 bucks. You can even get self-defrosting ones at that price point.
Unlike TVs, which need to display content, fridges can work just fine when they’re just a heat pump, a thermostat, a light bulb, and an insulated box (and optionally also a fan and a heating element). The biggest technical difference between a cheap fridge today and one from the 50s is in materials and using an LED bulb.
A true smart fridge would be great.
An actual smart fridge would do things like scan everything you put in it, so you’d know that you had leftover lasagne from 4 days ago that was about to go bad. It would know its full contents, and where they were (like that you had some kimchi on the 4th shelf in the back), and when they were going to expire. And it would do it without you having to change how you used the fridge, like stopping to carefully scan everything you put in or took out. AFAIK some smart fridges do some of that, but not all.
They could be in theory. But they are designed to bring a lot of terrible interface choices into the mix, so a basic screen where you just pick the input source and delegate the “smart” parts to something you control can end up being more comfortable.
A smart TV is better at being a TV than it otherwise would be
I think that depends on what you want from your TV. If you just want it to have a video input to stream stuff from somewhere else, smart TVs are typically worse because they take more time to boot up.
More time to boot up than a fridge which is booted up all the time?
There’s also a longevity mismatch. The streaming device goes obsolete much faster than the display. At worst, you’ve got a bunch of buttons snd icons for dead services or “your device is no longer supported” tutning your home theatre into a dead mall.
It’s sort of like when they used to make low-end TVs with VCRs and DVD players built in. Nobody was doing that on top of the line sets because you wanted to keep it for 10 years, and the DVD player would give out much sooner.
I think one brand tried to make a modular component to allow for smart upgrades, but without industry standards, it was a predestined dead end. Thry should have just out a slot in the cabinet sized to fit a Roku/Fire stick and let customers swap them every few years.
Smart TV is just a dumb TV with an OS. Just factory reset it, refuse to give it WiFi, and it’ll basically function like a dumb TV. The longer boot time only happens after it loses power, otherwise it’s in a sleep mode.
I disagree. The one of the few smart thing i don’t want in my house is a smart tv, because it’s really just a subpar computer being build into a TV, and higher spec cost too much. I don’t want to change a TV every 3 to 5 years because the computer part degraded and make using the TV impossible. I can use my PC for that.
Indeedy.
And cars.
Unless there begins to exist a new business based around lobotomizing smart devices.
Unfortunately, even fixing a smart fridge without the manufacturer’s consent is a crime punishable with hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines and possibly prison time.
Manufacturers will add “security features”, then sue the new lobotomizer business for tampering with DRM
And so the lobotomizers cite right-to-repair laws
What are those? It takes years to make the smallest iota of progress with right to repair.
In the US, maybe
Of course. Europe is smarter than that.
Get a cold basement, or get some rare vintage fridge, or stop using anything that needs refrigeration is my plan.
And everyone needs a new fridge every 3-5 years now because they’re all pieces of shit.
Nah, fridges are simple enough that I guarantee it’s trivial to rip all the smart bits out and still have a functioning fridge. Or just buy and old one, my grandparents still have their fridge from like 1970s and it still works.
I guarantee it’s trivial to rip all the smart bits out and still have a functioning fridge
Unfortunately, it is not. The “smart bits” are doing the job of a control board in a dumb fridge. If the tablet shits the bed, you won’t get cooling until you factory reset it and get the tablet working again.
I’ve never had a fridge with a control board, it’s usually just a compressor connected via a two-connection control thingy which prevents it from starting too often, and a relay that’s controlled by a thermostat. If they managed to replace that with a control board… Why?
Just about every fridge sold (meant for residential use, in the US) in (at least) the last 10 years has a control board in it. The only exceptions are the really cheap and small top-mount fridges, and even then it is only the ones with physical knobs that might not have a control board. Anything with buttons or a display has a control board. Many appliances with knobs also have control boards (sorry to everyone buying laundry based on “it has knobs, I trust it more”).
As for why - because they can. What are you gonna do, not own a fridge? Keep paying someone to fix an old one (or learn to fix it yourself)? Very few people will do that. Most people will bend over and pay.
Wow, fuck that. Thankfully fixing the electrics of an old fridge is really easy (as there are so few components and they are very simple); and I’ve never had issues with refrigerant leaking.
Sure it works, it also uses more electricity than the rest of the electrical devices in the house combined.
We’ve figured out how to do fridges a long time ago, there’s really not much to it: a well insulated box, radiators inside and outside, a pump, a metering device, and a thermostat. Sure, all components have been optimized a bit, but the power usage only went down by like half in the past 50 years, it’s not as bad as you’re describing.
About 3,5 times more energy used in 1972 than 2002. That’s quite a bit in my opinion.
Hm, that’s indeed more than I was expecting.
I can play Tetris with food inside of me.
Don’t give them ideas.
2050?? Lmao. More like 2026…
Angle grinder goes brrr
They already have the key functions of their smart fridges tied to the tablet shoved in the door. I’ve seen multiple instances of Samsung Family Hub fridges stop cooling and the fix was a factory reset of the tablet as it was unresponsive. Absolutely fucking deplorable imo. But also means if you make an “aggressive alteration”, the fridge probably gets bricked and you are left with an expensive and smelly cabinet.
Is there a kind of open source dumb appliance movement out there? It sure seems like we need one.
They wouldn’t be free as in beer, but it would be awesome to have widely available instructions to take existing mass produced parts and assemble a functional and serviceable appliance.
Or maybe just a control module and some sensors that you can use to retrofit smart appliances.
I’m sure the big companies would keep them from gaining mass adoption though, thanks to cheap appliances with ads and junk parts. They probably already have.
Or … just don’t connect it to the internet?
It is not because it has a wifi antenna or an ethernet port that you need to connect it. Especially if you only want to use the dumb features anyway.
Or … just don’t connect it to the internet?
It is not because it has a wifi antenna or an ethernet port that you need to connect it.
This is increasingly becoming a false statement, unfortunately. Companies are indeed forcing customers to connect in order to use the regular features. For instance, Roku TVs won’t let you change to a regular HDMI input without first connecting and accepting their ToS and updates.
Secondly, even when the forced connection hasn’t been implemented yet, the problem is not entirely fixed. These fridges with digital panels are notorious for randomly having that panel fail, and then the ENTIRE FRIDGE stops working, even though the actually useful compressor and refrigeration loop is intact. Of course, the company will also refuse to sell you a replacement digital panel.
A smart appliance disconnected is still significantly worse than a dumb appliance.
That’s why I also mentioned them being made cheaply and using junk parts.
I had an idea to create FOSH (Free open source hardware) license and wiki that contains schematics and plans for making your own hardware, be it a fridge or printer, or handheld label machine but i dont know if it will be worth anyones time. I dont have electrical engineering degree so i couldnt do more than test the products and maintain the website.
Draper’s law: Any screen a company can control will eventually display ads.
thats too absurd
It’s not because it includes company control.
I wonder how your comment will age in 1, 10, 100 years.
if its not a non profit it would be closer to true
Drink verification can to access refrigerator.
Yes! Why hasn’t anyone posted the copypasta for this?
Then you are stuck, cause the verification can is inside.
That’s why it’s important to have a redundant backup fridge with a recovery verification can.
I try to leave and my bracelet mandated by the Terms of Service immediately administers an electric shock.
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…That’s a Bosch refrigerator with a tablet stuck to it, presumably with a magnet. (Yes, we ruin everything for you on the Internet.)
Still. Samsung would absolutely try to pull this if they thought they could get away with it.
Well yeah I mean the image is a joke…
Sure, but for some godawful reason Samsung genuinely does make a series of refrigerators with a stupid touch screen in the door, it’s just that this isn’t one of them.
Another random fun fact about those, since we’re kibitzing and we’ll never get a chance to touch on this topic ever again, these silly fridges run Samsung’s Tizen operating system which at one point was supposed to be a successor to MeeGo, i.e. in and of itself the successor to the Maemo OS which ran on the venerable Nokia N900. But this categorically failed to set the world of mobile phones on fire, and nowadays is relegated to being used to making Samsung fridges and televisions annoying. Just one of those things, I guess.
