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    2 months ago

    One more step towards the US becoming an NK clone. This is a good opportunity for Loops to advertise themselves as the anti-Tiktok.

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        Nazi Germany unraveled itself by attacking its neighbors. Do you think thats ever going to happen?

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          Canadian here, yes. Yes I absolutely think the US will attack its neighbours.

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            When? I’m American and I just can’t even comprehend us attacking Canada. That said, I wouldn’t put anything past orange hitler.

            Anyway, I hope you put up a fight and I hope the rest of NATO doesn’t just sit on its hands.

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              Have you not been paying attention? Trump tested the waters of attacking Panama, Greenland, and absorbing Canada as a “51st state”. He really wants a war SOMEWHERE so he can try to halt the next election. It has to be close and scary, or Americans won’t bat an eye. We are so used to wars elsewhere.

              MAGA will 100% believe it if he says Canada is sending fentanyl over on a nuke or something and they will be excited to go to war over it.

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                Have you not been paying attention? Trump says a lot of bullshit. I don’t think you should be taking him at his word for anything.

                I re-affirm my previous statement. I can’t even comprehend the idea of the US attacking Canada. It would be extremely stupid of him and I don’t think the people around his orbit would allow it because it would endanger all of them.

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                Trump would probably launch strikes on the Blue states so he can start a second Civil War if he wanted to.

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                  thats exactly what he’s going to do. all these fucking people living in canada and mexico aren’t paying attention and they’re actually taking him at his word, which you should never fucking do, when he spouts some crazy bs about making canada a state or buying greenland or some other random shit.

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              When? Right after his economy starts tanking. He’s cut off a lot of his trading partners. He’s going to need money and resources fast. Canada has a lot of resources he needs, despite how hard he tries to claim otherwise.

              He has threatened our annexation since his first term, although in a ‘joking’ way. This time he started the threats before he’d even been sworn in and he hasn’t stopped. He is still threatening annexation of Canada. He has not backed down. He has not apologized. He means it.

              He’s a critically stupid man, but he’s an extremely dangerous one and his statements need to be taken seriously.

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                stop believing all of trumps distracting bullshit and start actually watch whats happening. he has no intent whatsoever of attacking canada. he’s going to attack blue states before he attacks anything. hell, he already is.

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              When the country is at war he can postpone the elections. Somewhere in year 3 of his term he will make sure the us is at war.

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          They already attacked Iran without official declaration of war. That orange bastard wants to get Bagram back even though the Taliban would just laugh and let the Chinese take it.

          Any fascist government requires the need for constant conflict and scapegoats for which to keep itself existing to reign. This includes even threatening to invade countries with punitive military campaigns. Or punishing certain states for “disloyalty” and growling to send troops and cops to “occupy” them.

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            Iran isn’t a neighbor and the US attacking the middle east is practically a habit at this point.

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              Of course not a neighbor but needs enemies to justify its existence. If he can order that, he might as well launch a strike upon Mexico.

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                launching an attack on either mexico or canada would be just about one of the dumbest things he could ever do. you actually believe the people advising him are going to let him do something like that? Something that would endanger all of their careers and their current well cemented grasp on power. There is no way.

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                Nazi Germany had a bad geographical location. Strong powers to the east and west, including the UK as unsinkable aircraft carrier and staging ground for invasion. The USA has none of these issues. It’s surrounded by big oceans and militarily weak neighbors. A naval invasion of the USA is basically impossible.

                The USA can do whatever they want in all countries in the Americas. Not even a worldwide coalition could stop that.

                The USA could invade and annex Mexico and Canada quite easily.

                The USA can also afford to intervene military across the globe, get stuck in a quagmire for years, and it doesn’t endanger their control over their own country.

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    Isn’t tiktok a chinese asset? And hasn’t china famously refused to dance to Trump’s discordant tune?

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      Trump is forcing them to sell their American operations to American owners or be blocked from operating in the US.

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        I can’t find it now, but I’m sure I saw a post earlier that said there was a bunch of Saudi money going into the sale.

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            Thankyou. I’m right now watching Internet Today’s coverage of it, which also confirmed it. There’s also this interesting snippet from the CNBC article they quote from:

            “No representatives from ByteDance were present at the signing, and the company hasn’t acknowledged that a transaction is taking place. No purchase price was mentioned, and there’s no indication that the Chinese government has made changes to laws that would be necessary for a deal to take place.”

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    So, Trump effectively nationalized TikTok, valued at $300b. He sells it to friendly oligarchs for $15b. So far, this is basically the post-USSR playbook, and how Roman Abravmovich, Alisher Usmanov, Vladimir Lisin, etc. got so rich.

    But it might piss off his oligarch buddies if he drives all the users off TikTok making what seemed like a steal into something worthless instead.

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      I think that just like Elon with Twitter, the value is not in revenue but controlling the narrative.

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        That only works if people use it.

        For some reason, people have stuck with Twitter. But, the users of TikTok are not the same as the users of Twitter, so who knows, maybe they won’t stick with it.

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      In ex-USSR that happened as something destructive, but in USA honestly it’s normal, using institutional pressure to help friendly businesses. Trump is unusual only in how grotesque he is in his position, but history saw Talleyrand.

      And US sanctioned Japan just because some of its businesses couldn’t compete, which didn’t kill Japanese car industry, but hurt Japanese computer industry, and sent Japan into recession from which it didn’t quite recover.

      About driving users off - that doesn’t really happen unless you intentionally break everything. VKontakte be the experiment showing this, except TG was later made based on VK makers’ experience with social stuff, and was very successful, and is now basically the most convenient messaging\social platform. When something FOSS manages to reproduce the experience of TG, then FOSS messaging and social systems stand a chance. So - some of the life moved from VK to TG, but it’s more of VK’s experience stagnating and being too complex and overloading, not of people fleeing it.

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      This will be truth social again with a pre-existing user base and better algorithms. People will drop off, but they will probably boil the frog slowly to keep people around.

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    2 months ago

    This is nothing but outright propaganda designed to assert themselves in a good light.

    America: you are fucked.

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    I never used it because of the Chinese government affiliation. I’d feel even less inclined to use it with maga affiliation.

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      It being outside of the United States and outside of United States control was an absolute benefit for me, What was your reason for hating it while it was under Chinese control?

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        Trump creams in his pants thinking about having the control the Chinese government has.

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          Yeah, but it isn’t under American control, which is the most important part, or at least it was. Anyways, I’m not going to keep badgering you to try to convince you to get on it, but I would also admonish you for not at least giving it 30 minutes of your time when you were bored just to screw around with it before you wrote it off completely

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        There are multiple reasons for me. First and foremost is the data collection that they’ve been accused of; I know American companies do the same thing, but there’s something more nefarious about a state run data collection scheme than a public company collecting data to sell you ads, which I’m also trying to avoid as much as possible. Next, I don’t support their labor practices - using child, slave (Uyghurs) and cheaper labor is a big deterrent. I realize that some level of that is unavoidable with the way our society is based, but I don’t really need another social media outlet in my life anyway, so it’s a really easy cut for me.

        Oh yeah, also because a state run social media app is something that I feel is an easy way for that state to push propaganda.

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          Next, I don’t support their labor practices

          Lol. But American labour practices are just fine with you then?

          Also, fun fact, even after years of accusations, nobody has been able to find actual credible evidence of “Uyghur slaves”. Meanwhile, penal slavery is just an acceptable norm in the US

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            You’ve done nothing to instill any confidence in me about Chinese state sponsored social media apps and only supported my original point that I trust a US state sponsored social media app LESS than one from china at this point.

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      He bankrupted a casino, he knows what he’s doing.

      I suppose that’s why the people paying for his campaign chose him, to bankrupt a nation you need someone this talented.

      Why do they need said nation bankrupt I don’t know, maybe to make it fail while the failure will still be not too gigantic to recover from, and maybe for yet another pump-and-dump scheme, except this time with a country and not an industry. Depends on how optimistic you are about their motives.

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          Russia is 1) not that powerful by far, 2) its elites, those very ones spoken about when expressing these conspiracy theories, are pissing hot water from a mere hint of being friends with any US administration.

          They have sort of an inferiority complex, there was recently a damned TV report, apparently, about an American diplomat visiting a cafe and ordering a cheburek (Central Asian street food). It’s so much bootlicking that one can confidently say Russia’s elites are much bigger US fans than Russians in average.

          They might be unintentionally making the effect you described upon the US, while trying to somehow become part of its processes, but it’s a small nudge compared to the more serious reasons.

          I think this is because the people who are now Russia’s elite came to power in the 90s, a lot of ex-Soviet people looked at the situation pretty simply - as in “we were the losing superpower in this cold war thing, now it’s ended and we are friends, so we are going to become like America in those movies with white middle class people all owning cars and houses”, and those of them who were doing politics, apparently, wanted to have their own political system as “cool” (or whatever, some immeasurable feeling) as the American one.

          The Iron Curtain was a huge mistake, people who put it in place were thinking in 30s categories when the 30s were long gone. People inside thought that they only put barriers before you to protect something you’d want to have. A generation of Soviet people grew with that feeling, where everything Soviet was boring and bad, and everything Western magical and good. It wasn’t even about freedom or morality. Just about “coolness”. People breaking the USSR in the 80s and 90s knew that the world around it isn’t virtuous and kind, but they thought it’s “cooler”. Everyone thinks they’d do well when put into an adventure, when safe. Nobody thinks they’ll be some guy who gets eaten by a crocodile on the second page, or a coward, or an idiot, or a sucker.

          So. When the Russian “wide mass” realized that for the West it consists of suckers and crocodile fodder, it became disillusioned and the wound healed, except for some rare idiots who kept believing into that picture, not being exposed to reality.

          When the Russian elites realized that, they just decided to lower the bar, and be content with playing US sometimes, and getting US citizenship for themselves and their children, and being there often, and playing with US politics. I don’t think it’s directed at somehow corrupting and undoing the US, simply not enough power. They are just regularly touching in the shop something they can’t afford to buy.

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        When the USSR collapsed, it made some well-connected millionaires into billionaires. When the USA collapses, it makes billionaires into trillionaires.

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          It made very different people millionaires and billionaires. Some local businessmen (a very American type in stereotypes, something between a conman and a normal mom and pop business owner), some professors with good understanding of mathematics involved, some translators for big people, some red directors who converted their Soviet power into new power.

          And in my childhood I thought they are all thieves, my worldview is more nuanced now. Life is complex.

          People talk of KGB as of the main important target of all potential lustrations in the future, but Eugene Kaspersky is KGB, and of people meaningful in Russia he’s honestly very fine. Some people talk of Yeltsin as someone good, but he was a Politburo member. People who remember general Lebed sometimes think he was killed because he was an honest patriotic politician, and he surely made the impression with that simple Soviet flat with a rug on the wall, that Siberian manner of speech, those pacifist and humanist things he would say in interviews (he managed to say without accusations and conflict that people who are mafia or terrorists or both for one government are friends for another and this is business as usual ; he also managed to say without losing any dignity or surrendering any important point that Russians can’t fight more wars after the XX century and that people fight to live in peace, these seem pretty obvious, but some obvious things don’t sound good on TV), except when he was made governor of his part of the world, he quickly became, eh, a normal governor - with new realty and a lover in Moscow, with very expensive idiotic PR actions (like that campaign with Alain Delon in the middle of a depressive Soviet junkyard with a Lenin statue endorsing Lebed), and so on, somehow the memory of him omits those few last years of his life, before the helicopter crash.

          Now when I think about it, I didn’t think they are all thieves, I knew life is complex and that I don’t personally know all these people.

          So - American billionaires don’t want to be trillionaires, I think. They want to be princes. Perhaps patricians. Or maybe mandarins. The issue is that they are blind to how all three things existed, using them as labels for their own dream of power over humans without complications. Princes were subject to God, Pope and their suzerain, multiple such sometimes, like in Brittany or Holsten or … Patricians obeyed the customs of their republic, whose first citizen usually was a plebeian - the man who was first named “first citizen” notably was, and his cognomen is now used to refer to emperors. Mandarins lived in the kingdom where the only unbreakable law was the mandate of heaven, and weren’t considered better people - certainly no more than as far as their emperor had it.

          I believe we will endure. I don’t know about the USA, but maybe it’s for the best that this project goes to version 2.0 .

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        Trump has wanted to destroy the United States since we captured Epstein in 2011 and shut down the best of his trafficking ring. It was never the same after that and that’s why he was suddenly so outspoken about Obama.

        Take away a narcissist’s toys and they’ll just vow revenge at all costs. He doesn’t care that he’s destroying millions of lives - we took away his favorite thing; underaged “playmates”.

        The rest of them are just assholes who think they can get rich and in some cases, have.

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      It didn’t kill twitter. It might be shit, but still used by hundreds of millions, and is a popular public communications outlet

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        It is on the decline though, preserved more by switching costs than by user preferences. It’d be interesting to see if Trump can cause an even faster rate of decline than Elon has.

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    Tiktok was China’s soft propaganda because they suppressed unfavorable content rather then promote favorable content. Trump going full MAGA with it would kill the platform because people use tiktok to stop thinking about distressing things. Not be exposed to more of it.

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      What would he care if it kills a lot of use. Some will stay, even if it becomes just an echo chamber, there will be users who don’t leave and slowly get fed more and more content that changes their bias.

      A propaganda machine does have to reach 100% of the population, it just needs to pluck small percentages that were on the outskirts and hold the current believers in a situation where they believe this is better than whatever bologna scenario they make up would happen if they weren’t doing this. America is MUCH safer place to live today than it was when I was born back in 89’.

      Yet a large portion of the population does not believe that, because they throw murders in people’s faces through every facet of our lives to make people feel afraid and use security as an excuse to gain further control over people’s rights.

      Anyone who thinks “I could leave my doors unlocked back in the 1990s and I can’t today” has been fooled.

      Anyone who thinks subways, trains, or public transit isn’t multiple times safer than getting into a car and driving to work, has been fooled.

      And social media as well as news stations want us to be angry and scared, because it gets people engaged. Engagement makes them money. Happy people who feel safe go outside and go to the beach, play sports, go hiking, go to movies, join a book club, have a hobby of some sort. None of those things make news outlets money. Social media could, because they could sell ad slots to people who sell products for those hobbies… but I guess it doesn’t make as much.

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    As with all social media, as soon as grandma and grandpa get on, it all goes down hill.