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Australian beef has replaced U.S. supply in China since Donald Trump returned to the White House, funnelling hundreds of millions of dollars that have in previous years gone to the U.S. cattle industry into Australian pockets.
U.S. shipments to China, worth around $120 million a month, collapsed after Beijing in March allowed permits to expire at hundreds of American meat facilities and as Trump unleashed a tit-for-tat tariff war.
Other U.S. farm exports to China, the world’s biggest food importer, have also suffered since Trump retook power. On soybeans alone, U.S. farmers have lost out on shipments worth billions of dollars during the current harvest season.
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Maybe this will mean red meat will finally get cheaper.
Oh wait, no it won’t, we will just lose all that meat and money. Taxpayers will have to foot the bill for Republicans like always.
And that’s in top of the massive bail-out they just gave Argentina.
#Winning
US cattle inventory is at a 70 year low anyways.
Meaning we couldn’t keep up with global markets anyways. Let other countries take on the ecological destruction that comes with trying to export meat. Every have a feed lot next to your water supply or a processing plant in your town? We need to fall back to smaller domestic market where local butchers are actually needed to supply their communities and not large grocery stores.
Listen dude, if you want to get the uparrows you gotta say how this hurts America, maybe a little #fucktrump, et cetera.
Uhhhhhh what. America not selling beef over seas hurts America in the short term. That’s too much beef for just America. Our beef is worse quality anyways.
My preferred beef, personally, is from local farms, and so I’m all about the idea about smaller farms. I’d be lying if I said I didn’t buy from factory farms, chicken, beef, and pork, but I try to go local when possible.
Although as I’m writing this, I’m really not sure if local meats and their prices are affected much by the factory farms.
So yeah, I guess all I mean is that I’m totally cool with an America that has fewer factory farms, the operations, from top to bottom, seem to thrive on just terrible conditions, environmentally and all. And I’m also cool with the massively wealthy families who own these farms maybe feeling a squeeze.
Liberals don’t like it when you highlight that what they support is bad too.
Yes, it’s shitty for business and the economy and will hurt the country short term and these export relationships may never be rebuilt, and that’s counter to what Trump promised so “haha leopards eating faces”.
But when you highlight that these industries are harmful and exploitative appendages of the American empire, and their collapse will give your children a chance at a better future, downvotes and disengagement.
Ah but immigrants…
It makes sense, Australia is much closer. Congratulations to Trump on being so eco-conscious.
in global shipping, closeness actually doesn’t make things necessarily more eco friendly: when you have 100 ships full of cargo heading from china to the US, they’ve got to return too… either they return full of something, or nothing
i’m not sure how it all works out in this case, but slowly moving things from the US to asia is practically free, in pretty much all regards
Seems a bit woke, honestly.
Australia isn’t woke, it has crocodiles!
And the world’s deadliest spiders.
Notoriously sleepy reptiles.
Also koalas, arguably the least woke mammals on earth.
We even have lizard called a Sleepy Lizard. Cant get more Anti Woke than that
Right after ceding the global ev market to china. The guy is a jeenius.
I don’t care.This is actually better for the environment.With a smaller ecological footprint.
This is america where we pay our farmers to grow stuff that they can’t sell. And we think we like it this way
This is america where we pay our farmers to grow stuff that they can’t sell. And we think we like it this way
We pay them to do that so we have a surplus so we all don’t starve… every country does this so if there is a bad year, you don’t have farmers stopping production because they can’t survive and have to sell everything.
No clue why they vote red though, considering they get a ton of subsidizes.
I have family farmers in Iowa. This is a bull shit take. They make so much corn because usa says so, but the corn the grow can’t be eaten by humans. It’s cattle feed.
It just sits. And you gor wit for 30$/acre or you try to free market and go broke.
It’s an extremely inefficient system and non of that food goes to USA citizens. Which is why you have no citations for that comment.
That corn is grown so they have money for when it’s needed.
That corn also goes to feed beef cattle which we eat.
https://usafacts.org/articles/federal-farm-subsidies-what-data-says/
They’ve been doing this since the great depression in the usa because no one wants another great depression. Other countries do it as well to keep the food supply stable and affordable.
I don’t know why you’re arguing this.
No one says it’s efficient. You don’t do efficiency on your food for your citizens. You make sure they can eat.
No clue why they vote red though
Because liberals want to excommunicate them for saying trans women aren’t women.
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BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!
Idiots.
In another year, when all of the post-tariff trade agreements are completed, we’re going to be ceding a whole lot more than that.
Not that Donald will give a shit. He’ll have added 5-10 billion to his personal net worth by that point, and that’s all he cares about.
The leopards will be feasting on farmer face (again)
RIP Beef prices here (Australia) for a few years.
Demand will outstrip supply and as always, we’ll come second to the export market.
Hopefully this demand is the new normal and not just a bubble, otherwise it’s just high prices for nothing.
Don’t worry, the next time we ‘hurt the feelings of the Chinese people’ things will be back to normal.
So in the past couple of weeks, MAGA has been Make Argentina Great Again and now Make Australia Great Again.
I wonder what Trump is gonna fuck up next week so that Azerbaijan can swoop in to start selling to China.
Australian here.
I just thought you’d be interested to know that the nutty is kind of leaking.
Thankfully they are very few, but we do have some MAGA Trump supporters here, and yes they occasionally say “make australia great again”. Its so shameless.
I live in a place called albany, and yes on precisely one occasion I’ve seen someone say make albany great again.
We’re having a local council election. About a third of the candidates are dickheads with no chance of getting up, and yes they include things like anti-woke and anti-DEI in their bios.
An American friend played a season of football for Albany. And another played for Mt Barker.
Someone should run with their platform as, ‘Make Dog Rock Great Again!!’
They’d be named emperor of the Great Southern within weeks!
He already rescued Azerbaijan from two brutal wars that nobody ever heard of. Hasn’t he done enough?
Oh the ag. collapse could be, at the very least, interesting.
Bad enough that the lions share of the industry will need major handouts, or more likely that farm after farm will be bought out for land-lease to former owners, and then given handouts to offset purchase price. But, the midwest corporate cash crop farms have been fighting tooth and nail against soil conservation methods just to squeeze a few extra bucks out.
I so hope we don’t end up getting into another dust bowl.
I’d highly recommend folks look at keeping up a community garden or two if possible, or helping out at one if not.
I said it before… it is incredible how fast America’s dominance is falling. I remember shortly after 9/11 when the idea of US market dominance failing seemed ridicules… even dystopian shit still had the US dollar be number one… but this? Fuck me…
now imagine for a moment - go back to that post-9/11 period - and imagine that our standing in the world and our economic dominance are both failing not because of some new innovation from our competitors, or climactic disturbance in politics or crops, no, it’s all falling to shit because, and only because we elected a conman to lead the country, twice, and it’s gone terribly both times.
oh and gwb iraq didn’t really set things up for greatness, but damn, ten years of trump has run this country right into the ditch.
impressively rapid descent into shitocracy.
Idk feels more like the Dems and Biden failed the US. Obama, for all his faults, managed to turn things around despite the poor gwb years.
your feelings were easily manipulated.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2023/feb/06/whats-the-economic-state-of-the-union-under-joe-bi/
Or they didnt care about money? People can have different priorities and values, and I can think Biden was bad and you think he was good and that both be valid.
valid, but the context of this discussion was economics. cybersteel thinks “Idk feels more like the Dems and Biden failed the US” - in many contexts this can be valid, but in the specific context of the article posted, the economic impact of silly tariffs and self owns - the biden admin did fine by the economy over all, and the numbers are there on poltifact.
you’re certainly entitled to whatever opinions but if you tell me “Idk feels more like the Dems and Biden failed the US. Obama, for all his faults, managed to turn things around despite the poor gwb years.” in a discussion about economics, while I don’t laud the guy, the admin managed to turn the economy around 180 from trump - that’s based on data easily discernable (and with cited notations) on the poltifact article.
It’s a good thing.
America will be better off after being taken down a few pegs. They’ll start trying again.
