• WanderWisley@lemmy.world
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    I was working the day of j6 and I will never forget all of my coworkers watching it and fully cheering like it was the Super Bowl.

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      So, given the mounting evidence for vote manipulation, I can’t believe that anymore.

      10mo ago, I would have agreed though.

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        He defeated every Republican rival and took control of the GOP through the voters. Even if he cheated, which he did, him having support of even 40% still proves he understands the American voter in a way few do.

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          I’m not sure. You may be giving him credit that belongs to Roger Stone, but in essence I don’t think you’re wrong about the zeitgeist that he’s latched onto.

          I guess in all likelihood, it’s that, plus the cheating, and without both he wouldn’t have won.

          It all feels very inorganic to me though. Astroturfed, especially this second time.

          It doesn’t matter though. Probably the last president.

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    I totally feel that — sometimes you start noticing all the red flags way before things really fall apart. It’s kind of like missing notes in fnf (fun rhythm game); once the rhythm’s off early, it’s hard to get back on beat no matter how much you try later.

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    January 6 gave the Nazis hope and basically exposed how easy it is to topple the government if they have law enforcement on their side.

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    I understand it.

    People are paying 30% more to live now than they did before. No one cares about a person’s politics if they claim they’ll put food on your table.

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      This chart is the whole story. Unfortunately people don’t understand how the economy lags behind everything and Trumps recent actions are going to make the surge from COVID checks look like a blip.

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        It didn’t lag behind for the rich.

        It only lagged behind for the poor.

        For four years, and Biden had all the power he needed to make real change for the poor, as evidenced by the last ten months.

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          Joe Biden isn’t supposed to fix anything, Congress legislates, and the president executes the laws. Your Congress hasn’t represented you in 40 years and you expect the president to fix it in 4? That’s what trumps doing with this unitary executive king shit 🤣 Horseshoe theory strikes again

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            Yeah when the SC gives the President immunity for overstepping while he’s in office? You’re damn straight he should have done more. To quote Trae Crowder, “Do you want to be right, or do you want to win, motherfucker?”

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              That’s a fair criticism, and I share it with ya. The executive branch should have gone a lot further with the power they did have. They let appearances get in the way of justice and democracy again! I’m starting to think there’s a pattern with that behavior

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            It’s not about the President, but it is about the party, and the President is also the head of the party. Biden was also the party establishment candidate that they ran against Bernie specifically to kneecap any chance at actual reform. So no, he doesn’t get a pass for the results, just because he was only the President. Look what only President Trump can do.

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              I mean no one would have consented to Biden breaking all the constitutional norms of the country, nor was there any popular policy to push. There was a lot of resistance to Biden from both parties. Judge him how you will, I’m not here to defend his honor or convince you of my opinion of Biden. I just wanted to express my frustration. How both sides want their presidents to act like Congress, while Congress constantly gets a free pass for fuck ups. It makes no sense to vote in an establishment congress and expect the president to make changes.

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                Question… didn’t congress attempt to impeach trump several times and then have a January 6th committee? They then handed their findings to the justice department who took forever to bring up charges. 18 months in total before special counsel jack smith started his own investigation. So I mostly blame the justice department for delaying so much. Namely Merrick Garland doing fuck all when they had trumps ass for launching a terrorist attack on our nations capitol. Brazil moved super fast and now Bolsonaro is fucked and won’t be launching another assault any time soon.

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                Four years of the Biden Presidency came and went in which someone could be completely forgiven for forgetting who was sitting in the office. There was absolutely zero political or social leadership coming from the Biden Presidency. None. That was half by design, and half because he was too far gone to be in front of the American people that much.

                He was a capable administrator, and under his presidency the liberal oligarchy did choose to make some concessions, and I think he had something to do with that. He had a capable and competent cabinet. But, he was chosen for the role specifically to stall any further continuation of progressive momentum.

                EDIT: I forgot to add that permission comes for breaking the norms by creating a movement that demands the breaking of those norms. That’s specifically what the Biden Presidency was designed not to do.

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                  I agree with that sentiment. No one really cares but me; but Biden did a lot to repair the broken ties internationally from the first trump admin. I just don’t know why everyone expected Biden to break norms: he followed the norms for his entire political career which stretched 50 years.

                  Do you think there was a unifying call from within America that he was ignoring? It seems like everyone loves this fucking oligarchy or doesn’t really care about it. No one was begging Biden to stop the oligarchy.

                  People still think Elon musk is a brilliant visionary. I don’t think he has more opposition than support.

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                  Dude, the only unifying call that they actually asked of Biden was to step down due to his age. He did and now America is great again. He really was a populist.

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              Look what only President Trump can do.

              Look what only President Trump can do, when the GOP also has the majority of the House and Senate, and - oh yeah - the Supreme Court.

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                Trump had more influence over the United States Congress and Zeitgeist than Biden did while Biden was President, and that’s a fact. That’s also the reason WHY he now has Congress.

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          There’s no one in the party that knows how to fix any of the problems they continue to create. Like forgiving college loans, but not changing the incentives to raise college prices. They could have allowed student loans to default, anything really. No one’s suggesting real change, just hand outs and corporate marauding.

          The voting base went right along with this, “ ya forgive my loan, but leave the exploitative system for my children. “ that’s politics, fix my immediate grievances and pay no mind to the future or bad structures we build

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            Well you can forgive loans with executive orders, I don’t think you can change the system without an act of Congress. Our legislature is no longer functioning, it’s been locked in a cold civil war since at least Trump, maybe as far back as 08.

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                They agreed on bailing out the banks in 08, which is why I picked that year. Then the tea party movement pushed us into a deadlock and we’ve been there ever since.

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                  That’s true, the bank bailouts, war in Iraq, and the patriot act were all bipartisan. They will always agree on robbing you and killing you.

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      that may explain how desperate idiots fall for the ruse the firtst time… but over and over again?

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        It’s because every time until the NEXT one they were hindered into the process by the “bad” others. So you see, it’s once again time to remove others who are preventing success.

        /s obviously

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    Many conservatives have convinced themselves that the 6th was a false flag operation by the libtards. For “reasons”

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      This is the one I’ve heard. By my own father, no less. I had no idea how to respond to it.

      Someone once said, “You can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into.” Something along those lines, anyways. That expression has saved me from many a pointless argument.

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    The republicans have a very robust propaganda machine. They digested and reframed it very quickly.

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    Because sadly, the attitudes and views of people making up Jan 6 are shared by a large proportion of the US population, even if they would not have participated given the means/opportunity.

    Jan 6 is viewed by them with analogous sentiment to how the left views civil disobedience for civil rights movements, regardless of the substance/justice of the event.

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    Trump was the perfect storm. Everybody that held some form of bigotry could see themselves in him. Because how could he be a bad person if they weren’t a bad person.

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    Perception is reality.

    Control news, social media, and church and you can distort/gaslight reality.

    Only the better educated can sometimes see through bullshit.

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    Mine was George Floyd. When I saw so many people stand up and say that man deserved death over a bounced check I knew they lost their damn mind.

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      Nobody deserves to die… Even if they’re… uh… charlie kirk… No I think that one’s ok.

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          My take on Charlie and similar killings is that we’re in a war, and war is never nice. I don’t believe anyone should be assassinated, but I also don’t believe we’re playing by the rules of civility when we have hundreds of people being disappeared every day by masked agents on our street; and the government is tweeting out Nazi propaganda.

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      A few years after 9-11 for me. I grew up watching my classmates sing songs about indiscriminately bombing people in Afghanistan, and news reports of people being beaten or killed in the US for wearing any clothing that appeared Middle-Eastern. It made me sick to my stomach.

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      The idea that death is an acceptable outcome from being suspected of any minor infraction underpins the conversation around basically every police killing, with every single person on the side justifying it being tacitly accepting of that premise.

      It’s lunacy.

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    “those people are ignorant”

    -My conservative mother, pretending Trump didn’t work tirelessly for years enraging them, tell them to do exactly what they did, and then gleefully watch for 2 hours while they did it.

    In other words, she thinks trump had nothing to do with it, as laughable as that is.

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    Oh, I don’t hate Trump. It’s just that he reminds me of the guy that sexually abused me when I was 11 years old. Same body build, same voice, same hair, same complexion…WAIT A MINUTE!