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- technology@lemmy.world
- OpenSource@europe.pub
Foundation says it won’t compromise policy of inclusivity even if that cash would’ve really helped
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I do not use Python for anything, but I donated. Any project, willing to stand up for its morals and against BS rules, is worth supporting.
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“We think you’ve hired too many black people, you now owe us millions of dollars.”
The fact that having money and simply convincing someone to accept it with terms means someone gets to do that in this system is fucking wretched.
You refuse to implement a back door for us in all of your cryptography modules, so we say you hired too many black people and now you owe us the money back.
I keep forgetting that for the rich, bigotry is often more of an excuse than an ideology.
It depends.
For many ‘new’ MAGA conservatives, its kind of a means to an end, yeah. It a part of the culture of feeling victimized. Its why so many bristle at being called racists as a blanket term: they actually aren’t.
But there are certainly old\ gheezers (many leaders) or perpetually online influencers that are legit racists. Or “great replacement theory” tangential believers that really straddle the line.
One of the most unnerving things about rightism is that there seem to be separate versions of the ideology, tailored to specific classes, for the purpose of perpetuating a cycle of abuse and obedience.
Well that’s true of many political “sides,” historical and extant, unfortunately.
See: Lemmygrad.
I think the lesson is to not believe in ideologies so rigidly, and to not revere individual leaders/influencers to such an extent.
To be fair, by the classical definition of left and right (equality vs hierarchy), tankies are right wingers. Authoritarianism is very much a rightist ideology. In fact, i would even argue that things like the “Cultural Revolution” in China were fascist because they demanded absolute loyalty to the state and its ideology on threat of violence. They just hate the other right wingers a lot because the nations they cheer for have been enemies of what I will loosely call “The West”, so they didn’t absorb the beliefs that commonly define western right wingers in the modern age.
Good on them to stick to their guns!
And that’s what made me finally donate to Python after a little over a decade of using it.
I don’t really like Python, but I’m also tempted to donate just to support them for this.
It never occurred to me to donate to a language!
I donate to languages daily by coming up with new words for free! Entguavisation Tascratulusly
🎶🎶 I use a word that don’t mean nothin’, like loopdid. 🎶🎶
That must be typescript.
Good
Ever since Guido stepped down I’m glad I rowed in behind Python. I like the guy, but the leadership there now has just been unimpeachable on issues like this, same with the local chapter in my country.
NSF - National Socialist Fund.
These terms included affirming the statement that we ‘do not, and will not during the term of this financial assistance award, operate any programs that advance or promote DEI [diversity, equity, and inclusion], or discriminatory equity ideology in violation of Federal anti-discrimination laws,’
Insane. I can’t even fathom adding such a condition. And to a well established org with a positive track record.
Toxic offer. Wouldn’t even be able to say that inclusivity is a good thing.
wait. so its not just about spending the money they are giving on dei? its saying they won’t even with other funds. What if the other funds are mandated to be used for dei? This is just disingenuous. Having a grant that dictates how other donations and grants are used is ridiculous and it was intended to not be taken.
Not only that, but if they do engage in “DEI activities” (definition not included) then they reserve the right to take back the entire grant and and previous money the python foundation had recieved from them in the past. Its a total poison pill, and if this sort of language is widespread in government grants its going to completly gut research in the USA.
Yeah seriously, imagine saying that out loud. No being fair and including everyone!
Sent a donation! For as much as I’ve used python probably should have donated sooner but better late than never
Was going to go into just Rust and GDScript more but you what I am going to go into Python now too. Massive respect to them
There’s a joke about whitespace here somewhere, I just know it.
python chooses insolvency over loosening restrictions on rightfully white space
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Python refuses to enforce strict whites’ space rules.
(I tried going in that direction first before realizing Python does enforce whitespace rules)
Yeah kinda what it’s known for as far as code nesting goes.
Paying companies to be racist, what a world.
White women are the biggest beneficiaries of DEI. So who’s being racist by being against DEI exactly?
The DEI people are against are policies that mandate discriminatory practices, making someone’s race/gender a qualification. It’s wild that people here actually support discrimination in hiring.
Say you don’t understand dei, without saying you don’t understand dei
You have it backwards. DEI ensures it’s not just the same good ol boy hired as usual (which is what the current good ol boy employer wants)
This is where everyone here is being disingenuous, or are just completely ignoring opponents of DEI. When have opponents of DEI called for overlooking meritorious minorities? When have they called for discrimination? Because they must have explicitly done so if DEI combats this.
I know what the stated goals of DEI are, and it sounds good, but I also know how it’s often implemented: quantitative goals and affirmative action. These are discriminatory practices.
People routinely admit that white women are the biggest beneficiaries of DEI, calculated from things such as their access to STEM jobs (eg. IBM setting a goal of 50% female engineers), then they go right back to saying that hiring based on gender is actually not DEI. Pure gaslighting.
All true. The problem is, remove DEI and you hand the reigns directly to the baked-in systemic advantage of white men(tall, attractive with hair specifically). It’s like the ocean. DEI is a small seawall trying to make the slightest difference. It’s not perfect and takes work but the alternative is a flood of self-affirming bias where you end up with products and services created by them but supposedly for everyone.
Imagine, despite pythons coming in all sorts of diverse patterns, having to hire only albino ones.
DEI was a solution to a problem. When you remove the solution, what remains is the problem.
DEI was a solution to a problem.
It was strategy for industry and government with an international focus. JP Morgan hires Japanese businessmen to acquire equity in Japanese firms and Samsung hires American bankers to negotiate loans with Wall Street. Nigerian oil executives shake hands with African American State Department staffers to negotiate trans-Atlantic trade deals. Korean native speakers in Seoul make sure American military bases don’t create political headaches for Korean politicians. Middle Eastern dictators in Egypt and Israel and Saudi Arabia met with counterparts who knew their customs and spoke their language.
The goal remained consolidation of wealth into the hands of a handful of (primarily white, American based) oligarchs. But the scope of global commerce required regional HQs and middle-men who had to navigate a kaleidoscope of local organizations and logistics partners.
Trumpism is pulling all that back and trying to return to the old Colonial model of capitalism. Your hierarchy is primarily predicated on your physical identity - White. Christian. Fuckable. Man. - in that descending order. Now we put Donald Trump and Tony Blair into the chairmanship of the Gaza Peace Plan, because we don’t trust any Arabs or Israelis to get the job done. We fuck with India, China, and Mexico on a daily basis, because their heads of state don’t meet our definition of Real Person.
When you remove the solution, what remains is the problem.
The objectives of the current government have shifted substantially from the Nixon to Obama neoliberal era. We are a white nationalist government first and foremost. It isn’t that we still have the same problem. It’s that we have a totally different set of goals.
Anti-DEI (racism) is doomed to fail, because it only works in an imaginary world without interracial/international marriage/families. The racists have cornered themselves in because distinct races is something they make up. The real world is not made up of distinct races.
it only works in an imaginary world without interracial/international marriage/families
You can go back to the 18th century and see it in practice. Also in apartheid systems like the South African junta and the Hinduvista/Tibetan caste systems. The method works so long as the families at the top of the food chain can exert sufficient control downstream, typically via a mix of funding/staffing large occupying armies and pitting native peoples against one another to the benefit of the foreign ruler.
If you get into the history of the French and Indian War, for instance, you had the English and French colonialists backing various American native tribes in what was effectively a coast-wide war. Similarly, Cortez and Pizarro defeated the Aztec and Inca empires respectively in large part by turning insurgent factions within the empire against the chief monarchs and supporting their insurrection with superior European firepower. The end state of the fail of the local empires was foreign governors playing “Kingmaker” among the native peoples. Then they carved out larger and larger settlements for their own migrant populations, while stoking fear of the natives to encourage loyalty to the foreign crowns.
The real world is not made up of distinct races.
It’s made up of distinct languages and cultures, as well as distinct understood identities and accepted hierarchies. The strategy of Divide and Conquer is an ancient and devastatingly effective one. Our post-WW2 neoliberal turn happened as a necessary rebuttal to Internationalist Communism (which was, itself, fumbled early on via the Soviet-Sino split). But it only needed to persist until the threat of Soviet Era support for anti-colonialist native coalitions faded.
Without a Stalin or Khrushchev or even a Castro or Tito willing to put a thousand guys with guns on a boat and send them to support a Marxist revolt in Columbia or Angola or Vietnam or Afghanistan, there’s no need to pretend we need a Big NATO Tent. No more need for the EU. No more need for economic alliances in the Pacific Rim. Now its every Colonial Empire for themselves. We can go back to merchantilism and juicing our satraps like a bunch of ripe oranges.
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No family can sufficient control downstream.
The English Royal Family managed it for centuries. The Spanish and French for nearly as long. The Hapsburg Dynasty dominated European politics for longer still. Get into East Asian dynastic rule or the great empires of Ethiopia and Egypt… FFS, the Caesers reined across the Mediterranean for what? Nearly a millennium?
And no, the world is not made up of distinct languages and cultures. All continuums.
There’s historical continuums that give birth to discrete divisions through geography and social conflict. The Silk Road connects the length of Asia, but the various mountains and deserts and human fortifications form hard divisions between both linguistics and social practices.
Physical and social division over time create a compact social separation between people in the same way it creates distinct speciation at longer distances and time frames.
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the french model of completely banning even the collection of that information, outside of strictly for facilitating medical care, seems like the best way forward imo.
if you have that information, the race supremacists will use it to their own ends if they ever come into power…as we are seeing right now with ICE
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Hugs to Python Foundation.
