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AB-1043 “Age verification signals: software applications and online services.”
Text https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB1043
Other info https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202520260AB1043
California AB 1043 signed. Mandatory os-level, device-level, app store, and even developer-required age verification for all computing devices.
Edit: altered title from “ID check” to “Age Verification check”
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sudo apt install apache2do you have a valid drivers licence?yplease type in your drivers licence numberThis is probably the most dystopian child safety bill so far.
Most dystopian “child safety” bill. Let’s not legitimize the claim that these laws are made to protect children while having privacy-invading side effects - they are privacy-invading laws disguised as child protection, while failing to have any real impact on children’s online safety and wellbeing
I’m not sure anything this repressive is implemented anywhere in the world.
Edit: wait this is the other half of the thing everywhere else is doing that would make this nightmare shit.
The only thing that I can think of is how China regulates it’s online gaming.
What is China’s Age Verification System?
China’s Age Verification System or 游戏适龄提示 in Chinese, is a government-mandated infrastructure that restricts minors’ access to online games and digital platforms. In China, all users must undergo “Real Name Verification” (实名认证) before accessing gaming services, enabling platforms to enforce age-appropriate restrictions automatically.
The system is overseen by the National Press and Publication Administration (NPPA) and integrates with national databases to verify user identities in real-time.
https://appinchina.co/blog/the-complete-guide-to-chinas-age-verification-system/
The move to do this was largely in part thanks to complaints of parents in regards to their kids’ habits with gacha games. For anyone interested, what I posted was a small excerpt from the link, there’s a lot more info on it there.
Is it in the OS?seems like just games.
It is similar, not the same. Some other key differences to consider are that while the US one is at the OS level, it’s just asking you to provide an age that isn’t linked to your ID or anything. It’s just like when a website asks your age, you can absolutely lie about it. But now it’s being done on the OS account, not the website.
Whereas, yeah, it is just for games in China, but it is absolutely being run against the person’s ID in a national database. Some games even require facial recognition. So it’s on a whole other level of verification and tracking.
while the US one is at the OS level, it’s just asking you to provide an age that isn’t linked to your ID or anything.
It’s Age Verification, which will almost certainly mean either ID scanning or facial scanning via the device camera. Or alternatively card transaction verification - the OG method baked into all these laws is the one that pays MasterCard and VISA. ID and facial recognition are cheaper services because the business providing the scan service can make more money off the ID or face they scan.
“Almost certainly,” is just you assuring it is so. Nothing in the legislation itself demands that.
The us is also openly capitalist with no other pretentions or pressures, and currently in the grip of a fascist regime.
I mean, sure? But that’s rather broad and does not really pertain to the topic at hand which is potentially (or outright) privacy-breaking legislature enacted and enforced on technology in the name of protecting childeren.
Its the difference between fucking around with a gun in the hospital parking lot with your two EMT lovers who are trying to get you to stop, and fucking around with a gun in the deep arctic with two hardened killers who want you dead.
seems like MS lobbying group.
He can go fuck himself. “Dems are the good guys!!!” Fuck off. This isnt about protecting kids. Its about tracking, profiling and data collection. No doubt to sell to 3rd parties. Fuck all these cunts who push this shit.
There’s no fighting 21st century fascism without breaking this law.
This is so much more effectively evil than ehat the trump admin has been doing holy shit.
This might genuinely be world leading evil.
Evil has won and has pulled up the ladder behind it to make sure no one can challenge it.
*to make sure nobody can challenge it without illegally building or stealing a ladder.
Lovely aint it?
Can’t wait for the big wigs to start sponsoring bills going after whistleblower protection.
Coincidentally, my birthday is 1900, January 1st.
1970, Jan 1st is better for this situation
Why do I need to show my ID to install Gentoo?
I’d like to see them try. Is it during installation or download?
Oops, forgot to compile that module. Oh well.
Because how can Persona (and the government) know who is using Gentoo without an ID requirement? What is someone doesn’t use javascript when browsing the internet?
And I thought he was the good guy. Fuck everything about this. Dick “we must protect our children”. From what?
Not sure why everyone always focuses on the executive as a scapegoat, it’s the legislature that you’re and passes these.
He was the good guy based on what exactly?
Unitedstatians are so absolutely alienated by their insane two party system that they quite literally operate under the assumption that if somebody opposes the “bad party” in one aspect, they immediately and totally fall into “good party” territory. Then they act shocked when turns out both are just right wing rich assholes, but one changes their profile picture on pride month or something. Repeat endlessly.
From the government not being able to mine their parents data of course… Its the number one thing that turns kids to drugs, dont you know?
What in the world would give you the idea he was a good guy?
Mandatory os-level
Cute attempt, but libre software - as always - remains superior and impossible to control. That’s by design. Write any law you want, I can modify whatever line of code implements this stupid check, remove it, and move on.
You mean the libre software that is all primarily stored on AWS, Azure, or Google infrastructure, especially github?
Linux is the giant it is using email as the primary infrastructure for development. We will be fine.
Can’t we just fork it over to something like Codeberg eventually? I know it’s a lot to move over, but with time and patience, it seems achievable.
On a PC that isn’t so hard to do. The problem though is that online services will start requiring the os level check which itself will likely require phoning home to some service.
Plus open software on phones and tablets is still in very early stages.
On a PC that isn’t so hard to do. The problem though is that online services will start requiring the os level check
Easy peasy, the browser checks the OS them reports it to the website
Plus open software on phones and tablets is still in very early stages.
This simply isn’t true. However your first comment about OS level checks is where the issue lies - if you don’t phone home to Google your banking app won’t work.
Well good thing banks have websites.
And if you block your browser’s connection to Google you won’t be able to log in to your bank.
Time to switch banks then.
Gavin is as slimey as his hair.
What is the point of bucketizing the actual age when anything querying it can simply note the date at which the user shifts to the next bucket to determine the exact birth date even if it never sees the exact birth date?
Furthermore, what about a common login like on a media PC?
What about a Steam Deck that gets shared around a household?
This is all very dumb. Could be a lot worse but it’s still very dumb.
“Age verifications” AKA “A complete ID and access record of all that you do on your personal electronics.” This is some seriously dystopian surveillance and control shit and it has nothing at all to do with children.
The whole point of the GNU/Linux operating system is for free speech. Whatever you’re trying to do California, it’s not going to happen. I refuse to run any proprietary software on my machines. It’s astounding that any porch for freedom is just gets blindly attacked by a bunch of uneducated fools. What a boring dystopia we live in…
i hope people talking about him as a potential president remember this; he’s a conservative robot who doesn’t give a shit about you.
Which is orders of magnitude better than a conservative pile of goo that actively wants to inflict as much suffering on you that is humanly possible. Which is very loved by a median voter for no good reason whatsoever
goo is more human than robot. there’s a reason why neolibs lose elections but Trumps, Mamdanis and Bernies win, and it’s not populism, it’s ideology.
Bernie lost popular vote two times in a row.
Almost like the nominations were rigged and the media hated someone who would ruin the rich who own the media’s income.
If there is something that Americans love to do more than bitching about their elections being rigged, that’s not actually participating in said elections and waiting that someone will do voting for them, while they sit around and call everyone who actually votes “libs”. That and daydreaming about murdering people during their inevitable revolution/civil war.
That doesn’t mean elections aren’t actually rigged, they very much are.
Bernie won plenty of mayoral and senate elections, as well as many states during his primary campaigns.
America has pockets of progressiveness so to speak, that’s why once in a generation you can get occasional mayoral wins and such. But they never grow into anything bigger, for many many reasons, from the fact that America is a stupid country full of stupid people, to the fact that lefties will always chose infighting and purity checks over pragmatism, to the fact that significant portion left-leaning people are extremely anti-democracy and use “voting” as a slur word.
Doesn’t mean nothing can be done, but you also can’t just ignore all of thatyeah there are definitely challenges
Between the preferences of the machinery of both parties, media ownership - including web companies, increasingly militarised police, ai + agents having the potential to effect the kind of 1980’s de-industrialisation on the middle class, and the rise of a surveillance state that would make the stasi blush, voting for the lesser of two evils isn’t going to do it any more. The lesser of two evils, both complicit in the construction of the explicit oligarchy America how has, is responsible for this.
You might extend the fuse a bit, but that will result in a bigger bomb. If it isn’t too late already, you need to look to the likes of Sanders. Or you need a No Kings protest every day, or as often as possible. Or a permanent Occupy Washington, which I think would come at serious risk of harm for the participants. It is critical now for America’s future.
Written with the checkmarks emoji characteristic of AI…
I think the blog post is just a summary of the official document - AI summary nevertheless.
Yes, I was talking about the blog post. I have no idea about the legal document itself, but I wouldn’t be surprised if it used AI too.
