Do you have any info on this? I couldn’t find any info on the target Vs civilian rate of the attqck. Not even how many were targeted. Only some media coverage of single civilian stories and innocent children getting hit. I assume this is inevitable in a large scale operation like this. But, from the videos available, it seemed like the explosives had very limited radius, where even people standing next to the targets were not hit or even knocked over!
Compare that to flattening entire cities, to get to the targets, i’d call it pretty precise!
But, from the videos available, it seemed like the explosives had very limited radius, where even people standing next to the targets were not hit or even knocked over!
It’s not about being knocked over; these explosions created shrapnel and that shrapnel created tons of injuries. We don’t have numbers because nobody bothered to count, but these were still bombs. There was no way they were not going to harm hundreds if not thousands of innocent civilians.
Not to mention, from the evidence that is public so far, it appears that they waited for these devices to be in public and busy locations before they were detonated
We don’t have numbers because Hezbollah keeps a lid on this kind of info. You can bet your pager they’d make the numbers public if they were in their favor
I am not going to argue with this because i come with my sources, for my points of view, and you point out the lack of sources for your points of view. There is no logic in this
The point is, i do not support either side, and I have so agenda with this comment. Simply i point out that when Israel really tries, they can avoid genocides like the one they are doing in Gaza
I’m referring to the videos of some of the explosions, as well as the descriptions of injuries being more or less localised to pocket areas, fingers and face.
That’s the same source people have been giving you that gives great detail into civilian deaths and injuries. Thousands of injuries. I’m not sure how that proves your point.
These were pagers handed out to Hezbollah operatives. How do you get more precise?
You were incorrect. They were handed to Hezbollah military and civilian officials. Hezbollah is effectively the government in that area; the civilian state is degraded due to decades of Israeli military strikes and incursions. There are tons of people who are “Hezbollah” but work the kinds of jobs the people down at your local city hall work. They’re the people operating the water systems, trash collection, etc. Realize also that this pager system WAS the local emergency response system. Think of the radios carried by police, EMS, and fire departments. There were doubtlessly police officers blown up by these bombs.
And worse still, these pagers have been in circulation FOR YEARS. They didn’t just send them out and immediately pop them. How many years do you keep a phone? How many of the people who had these devices later found their way to others hands?
You’re a member of Hezbollah, working in the civilian branch. One day you get a walkie talkie and carry it around with you. Another day you decide to be done with Hezbollah, so you get work somewhere else and you take the old walkie talkie to a pawn shop. The next day someone else, completely unaffiliated with Hezbollah, buys a set of those walkie talkies to talk with people around town.
You’re incorrect to assume that because someone had a civilian job, they could not have other roles within Hezbollah. Do you think Hezbollah needed secure communication equipment to tell the public trash collection administrator that they were holding their annual christmas raffle?
You seem to be fantasizing a lot about the distribution, as well as how an organisation like Hezbollah would handle someone that tried to sell their personal secure one-way pager in a pawn shop. Imagine being in an organisation that’s extremely worried about being snooped on, getting handed a secret communication device, and then trying to sell it in a pawn shop
The pagers weren’t precise at all.
More precise than dropping a bomb on an appartment building, I suppose…
But, yeah, not the best example of preventing collateral damage.
Do you have any info on this? I couldn’t find any info on the target Vs civilian rate of the attqck. Not even how many were targeted. Only some media coverage of single civilian stories and innocent children getting hit. I assume this is inevitable in a large scale operation like this. But, from the videos available, it seemed like the explosives had very limited radius, where even people standing next to the targets were not hit or even knocked over!
Compare that to flattening entire cities, to get to the targets, i’d call it pretty precise!
It’s not about being knocked over; these explosions created shrapnel and that shrapnel created tons of injuries. We don’t have numbers because nobody bothered to count, but these were still bombs. There was no way they were not going to harm hundreds if not thousands of innocent civilians.
Not to mention, from the evidence that is public so far, it appears that they waited for these devices to be in public and busy locations before they were detonated
We don’t have numbers because Hezbollah keeps a lid on this kind of info. You can bet your pager they’d make the numbers public if they were in their favor
I am not going to argue with this because i come with my sources, for my points of view, and you point out the lack of sources for your points of view. There is no logic in this
The point is, i do not support either side, and I have so agenda with this comment. Simply i point out that when Israel really tries, they can avoid genocides like the one they are doing in Gaza
What sources? You haven’t provided any
You didn’t provide a single source though?
I’m referring to the videos of some of the explosions, as well as the descriptions of injuries being more or less localised to pocket areas, fingers and face.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Lebanon_electronic_device_attacks
That’s the same source people have been giving you that gives great detail into civilian deaths and injuries. Thousands of injuries. I’m not sure how that proves your point.
It was more precise in the way that the explosions were smaller. The targets were not precise.
These were pagers handed out to Hezbollah operatives. How do you get more precise?
Setting off multiple explosions in crowded areas is not precise.
The targets were precise. If a sniper shoots a single soldier in the head standing between a crowd of toddlers, was it not precise?
You were incorrect. They were handed to Hezbollah military and civilian officials. Hezbollah is effectively the government in that area; the civilian state is degraded due to decades of Israeli military strikes and incursions. There are tons of people who are “Hezbollah” but work the kinds of jobs the people down at your local city hall work. They’re the people operating the water systems, trash collection, etc. Realize also that this pager system WAS the local emergency response system. Think of the radios carried by police, EMS, and fire departments. There were doubtlessly police officers blown up by these bombs.
And worse still, these pagers have been in circulation FOR YEARS. They didn’t just send them out and immediately pop them. How many years do you keep a phone? How many of the people who had these devices later found their way to others hands?
You’re a member of Hezbollah, working in the civilian branch. One day you get a walkie talkie and carry it around with you. Another day you decide to be done with Hezbollah, so you get work somewhere else and you take the old walkie talkie to a pawn shop. The next day someone else, completely unaffiliated with Hezbollah, buys a set of those walkie talkies to talk with people around town.
You’re incorrect to assume that because someone had a civilian job, they could not have other roles within Hezbollah. Do you think Hezbollah needed secure communication equipment to tell the public trash collection administrator that they were holding their annual christmas raffle?
You seem to be fantasizing a lot about the distribution, as well as how an organisation like Hezbollah would handle someone that tried to sell their personal secure one-way pager in a pawn shop. Imagine being in an organisation that’s extremely worried about being snooped on, getting handed a secret communication device, and then trying to sell it in a pawn shop