- cross-posted to:
- windows11@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- windows11@lemmy.world
A few days ago, Davuluri shared his excitement about it on his official X handle. He seemed very eager to reveal what the company has in mind at the upcoming Ignite event regarding the agentic OS plans.
Unfortunately for Microsoft and Davuluri, the response has been overwhelmingly negative, so much so that the comments on that X post have now been disabled.
Made me laugh. :)
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Damn I really missed my opportunity
this phrasing had to be intentional xD no social media worker can be this clueless
I think the same about the sandwich company that asked people to share how they “top their subs”.
Here’s the thing - the same thing that Microsoft is being roasted for saying they’re going to implement is the thing that Apple are being roasted for not having implemented yet. The difference is -rightly or wrongly- people trust Apple in a way that they simply don’t Microsoft.
Apple zealots trust apple. The rest of us don’t give a rat’s ass what Apple does.
Their stance on default privacy and sticking a finger to law enforcement is leagues above both Microsoft and Google/Android. So far at least.
You are correct… yet it is so sad that a modicum of respect for their clients is held up as if Apple self immolated out of principle… the bar is THAT low
and sticking a finger to law enforcement
No. They are just doing it differently - they have proprietary p2p networks and such doing obscure shit. They are similar to Telegram in that. Good to their users as much as they need that to maintain balance of interests.
Is it the Multipeer Connectivity you’re talking about? I’ve never heard of it before. It does seem like something that could be used to track users.
At this point if you don’t want a custom built or Linux PC, I see apple as the corporate gold standard. Windows is a glued together heap of slow trash for a while now. So many bugs, removed features, and lots of other crap. Macos just works, it’s a lot cleaner and more integrated.
Corporations need centralized governance that active directory provides.
There are other ways.
Year of Linux once again!
Honestly, we’re getting there. More and more people are asking and trying to learn. But we are a ways off from going to best buy and buying a framework laptop lol.
If only my computer was constantly hooked up to cloud AI watching everything I do! -No one ever.
Remember, they said Windows 10 was the last version you’d need. The last version.
In a country full of people that get a chub at the thought of litigation why hasn’t this angle been pursued?
Because puffery. It’s a interesting deep dive, look it up.
That was never actually an official statement. It was an offhand comment by some staffer that didn’t carry any legal weight nor accurately describe the internal trajectory for Windows in any way. As much as we like to poke fun at it regardless.
Because in the USA, private individuals don’t have meaningful access to the legal system. Realistically, the best you could possibly hope for in a case like this would be a settlement in a class action where every Windows 10 user who’s willing to jump through a bunch of hoops ends up with a seven dollar check in half a decade.
It was the last version I needed. Six months gaming on Linux and I haven’t looked back.
That was always a dumb statement. Microsoft had two places to go from there. Either iterate and keep the name like Mac OS X was doing (10, 10.1, 10.2 and so on) or go to 11… like macOS also did (after a while).
They were never gonna release a version of Windows called Windows 10 and never update it or improve upon it (as they see it).
They had iterations already, like 22h2 or whatever.
Major builds. They used to be YYMM (from 1507 to 2004), and changed to half a year at the end - 22H2 is the Windows 10 build for the second half of 2022.
In total, there were fourteen of these, with 22H2 being the final one.
They used to be called service packs.
Windows 10 is definitely the last version of Windows I’ll run on my own machines.
I think it will be the last one I run as well. I’ve always gotten grumpy with updating my OS since XP. I skipped Vista and 8 entirely. So I went XP > 7 > 10. I tried out Cachy OS and it works great. Did I have to go in the terminal at times? Absolutely but I have to go into the command line in windows sometimes too. Only thing keeping me in Windows at the moment is some windows only software and hardware drivers.
I have some aging hardware (approaching 10 year old desktop PC) and I switched to Linux. I have to still use Windows at work but none of my personal computers are Windows anymore.
Microsoft can go kick rocks.
Same here!
Same here!
They’ve really painted themselves into a corner with their AI investments. It’s starting to look like the total addressable market is a small fraction of what they’d need to break even on their atrociously ill-advised investments into the sector, and now they’re becoming increasingly desperate to shoehorn a technology that nobody wants into everything they can.
Literally everybody who has an inkling of an idea of what’s going on in the AI space knows how this ends, but somehow the board and c-staff at MSFT are not counted amongst the inkling havers. In a few years they’re going to have to write off countless billions that they’ve wasted on this idiocy and nobody will be surprised but them.
But they made Google dance, right? Maybe that’s all Satya Nadella needed out of it.
Cant write off something that isnt even in the books…
The way I see it, they think GenAI is the new portal to information, the way search has been for the last 25-30 years. They want to control that portal, because it’s worth trillions over time.
This is why they’re cramming it into everything and worrying about use cases later. It’s a land grab.
That kinda makes sense. Thank you for sharing your optics.
I heard that phrase “optics” for the first time in the TV show Succession. Is it something that ordinary people use or just wealthy people?
It’s mainly used by people who work in public relations or robotics
Or politics or really any field where the perception of actions are as, or more, important than reality.
I work as a senior IT Operations kind of job, with a 15 year background in IT support. I was trying to thank him for his perspective without sounding sarcastic ☺️
Edit: perspective might have been more apt.
You are wrong daikiki. AI is a tech that is going to change everything, it’s the “computers” of this era, they are investing in a technology that will boom. Even if you don’t think it will they will push it, see what google is doing, they rigged up the search results and now you necessarily have to use AI to get good answers, it’s also there by default so you can’t really avoid it.
It has been glorious watching Microsoft do this, they deserve this dead end and much worse honestly.
I mean… I don’t know I guess it gives me hope how incompetent the people at the top of Microsoft truly seem to be?
The modern world is really demonstrating how success has nothing to do with skill or competence.
What do you mean people don’t want machine learning chatbots spewing out bullshit in every facet of their lives and technology use?
We really need to get rid of the “AI” buzzword and refer to machine learning chatbots as what they are.
Parrots with a stolen dictionary.
Apparently when Satya Nadella took over, Steve Ballmer told him “don’t screw up”. In terms of stock price and profits, he absolutely hasn’t. In terms of producing products that consumers might actually want to pay for, he has failed completely and Microsoft has never been in a worse position. But those two things are completely disconnected now so it’s fine.
Why have windows calculator when you can have windows calculator with AI guess what you want to calculate, get it wrong, spy on you, and use that spying to serve you targetted ads all at the same time? #innovation
Why have windows calculator when you can have windows calculator guess what you want to calculate, get it wrong, spy on you, and use that spying to serve you targetted ads all at the same time? #innovation
Ya know, I’m not a linux “supporter” in the traditional sense. I usually find it annoying when people hijack these threads to say they use linux.
But man…even though I don’t have a clue what I’m doing in linux, I’d rather be on linux than windows 11.
We have passed the point where it has to be complicated. If you choose something like Garuda, Bazzite, or Mint, it should be a pretty straightforward switch.
I’m on ZorinOS, which I’m told is very similar to Mint.
Zorin is working out really well for me, esp on my older machines with slower processors and less RAM that choke a little on fuller distros. I enjoy the KDE Plasma distros, for example, but they’re a little too heavy for my older boxes and I was getting a lot of video stutter and unexplained shutdows, etc. I don’t get that with Zorin or Mint. For me Mint works just as well as Zorin and picks up all my hardware just as handily, it just feels a little basic for what I’m used to. But Zorin hits just right in every direction for my needs. It’s a good distro for Windows noobs, that’s for sure.
I still get freezes. Then when I try to power off and power back on, it won’t boot. Then a day or two will go by, and it boots.
Just for clarity, when you say it won’t boot, where in the boot process does it fail? Do you get as far as loading the BIOS, do you get a little way into the OS and then it crashes, or does it just not start at all?
I ask because depending on how far it gets into the boot process, you may not be looking at a software problem at all. Generally speaking, you have to get past the BIOS and into the bootloader before assuming the problem has to do with your choice of OS.
It’s similar in that it has an application launcher at the bottom, a windows-like start menu, and aims to be simple.
Zorin has a modern UI where Mint is more windows-7-ish. They don’t have the same file explorer, settings app, app store, generally the core apps are different.
Look they’re quite different, it’s hard to make a full comparison, just run a Mint .iso in gnome-boxes if you’re curious.
And contrary to windows, it’s learn once, use forever.
Except all those times where you learnt how to do something when you set it up years ago, and haven’t touched it since because it just bloody works. Then when you need to upgrade to a new machine you have to learn it all again.
Been using Linux for thirty years and it still happens.
You would have known it better under windows as it would have bacame obsolete or just stopped working every other 6 months, needing your attention 😁
I still type
ifconfigby habit. Some kid the other day told me that you can judge a person’s age and Linux experience by whether they expectifconfigandnetstatvsipandss.… I’m just glad they kept the parameters the same in
sswhat if I use ip and netstat?
I’ve held out a while but this is just getting ridiculous. I’m taking the leap.
As I use my home machine mainly for gaming, which version is best for me?
I’d say you’re first job is to determine what you don’t want. Google the differences between distros and pick the philosophy you like. Some have corporate backing, some favor stability, some stay cutting edge, some are more community developed, etc.
I started with Bazzite (Fedora) and switched to Garuda (Arch). What got me to each was researching “best gaming Linux” and later deciding I didn’t want immutability.
I mainly just wanted it to work right out of the box, but now that I have it I also love that Arch is always keeping me up to date. There is still a lot of fear mongering about Arch, but Garuda was just as easy as Bazzite, which is recommended for beginners all the time.
I think Garuda is amazing, and recommend it wholeheartedly, but no matter what you choose there will be some learning curve, so pick something that sounds cool to you so you stay motivated to figure it out.
If you want a locked down PC you can’t break, and to install all your software using a GUI, choose Bazzite. If you feel comfortable on the terminal, use CachyOS.
A good low (basically zero) risk way to start is to flash an image of say Ubuntu onto a flash drive. They’re usually bootable. So you can boot into Linux right off the flash drive.
This obvious takes a performance hit compared to actually installing it, but it’ll let you confirm that it actually works on your hardware.
And IIRC you xan choose to just keep it (so install it) right from there.
You can also load it up, and then do wild stuff and install, upgrade things (which will disappear ofc.).
That USB boot is crazy cool if you think about it IMO.
It’s OK, you’re on Lemmy, we all use Linux here so you’re among friends (or bitter enemies if your distro of choice is Ubuntu)
They have 93% of the market, they don’t care about people who use Windows.
93%? Where? Mac isn’t that low and Linux has been at least 6% and upwards
There must be some unaccounted for survivorship bias in the data for the MS to get it this wrong. Not even about agenda just PR they are operating on bad assumptions which is just bad for business.
Well yes, that data source is called stockholders. They eed to ride the hype. Honestly they really don’t have much choice. Either make the users happy or the stockholders. They can’t do both, it’s impossible at this stage. Want to guess which side wins?
That doesn’t make sense it’s just mindless anti capitalist sentiment which is fun and all but it isn’t getting us anywhere.
I wonder if they’re asking their AI.
Let’s assume for a moment that all OS are going to go this way.
Of all the modern well used OS, microsoft is the one I’d trust the least to do it.
The best part here is that, when the AI bubble pops, AI will become a dirty word for a while before settling in some, much smaller, feature.
MS is going all gas no brakes on AI and when that bubble pops, their entire ecosystem will be toxic and laughable
Stock market had dropped very much this week so maybe its happening.
Feels like getting to the top of the roller coaster… scary but exciting at the same time
Its bouncing back today but yeah, we will see next week…
Corporate suicide is so fun to watch when you’re not stuck using their products.
Indeed…
My Linux story started 15 years ago. I’m a tech guy (systems admin at the time) and reached the “I work with computers all day, don’t need more of that at home” stage (which was insane to think of a few years before)… tried Linux, loved it and still today my house is a junk yard of old computers having their best second life.
EXACTLY parallel to cutting my cable, my experience ditching MS (which I still have to use about 20% at work) has been one where I felt it was needed but hesitant I would miss out, but in all this time, the more I check MS (or cable TV) the more I realize I am missing NOTHING and my life is better for distancing myself from it
Re: missing out
I’ve got friends who tell me they won’t switch to Linux because they want their anti-cheat games. I usually tell them if they took the time to learn their system they’d understand why they don’t want anto-cheat games.
In the last 20 years, I have not found a single piece of software (games excluded, i pay for art when payment is asked) that I, a regular person on the internet, have not been able to source a free open source alternative that while potentially equipped with a steep learning curve is often as good as if not Better than many corporate solutions once learned.
People can pay for pretty, super convenient UIs and proprietary solutions with support contracts if they want to, thats their perogative. I prefer to learn the software myself and if I hate the UI that much that I’d be willing to pay, its worth either just sitting down and making my own with pyside (its quick and easy, learning curve excluded) or paying a freelance dev to make one bespoke.
110%
When Covid hit, I decided I finally had enough time to invest in a gaming PC. My son and I put one together and, thinking I would miss out on many games, we set it up to dual boot. 3 months later we both realized we wanted nothing that “only ran on Windows” so we recovered the wasted space and it became a Linux only machine (like the rest in my house)
I can also confirm my experience has been the same re any other application or piece of software. My current daily driver is basically against all recommendations for a daily driver: running Garuda Dragonized with a side of Hyprland, even the Garuda folks do not recommend this mix but I fell in love with Hyprland and my son still prefers KDE. I had to learn a lot to configure everything in Hyprland from scratch (first tried it with someone’s config but decided I wanted my own). Took a bit of learning but it was so much fun and in the last 5 months since I implemented this crazy soup, I have had no freezes, no hangs, no apps dying on me, nothing… everything is fast, solid and more importantly, I know and control every aspect of the experience…
Can u run fusion 360? We use this software at work for 3d printer and plasma table. Have not been able to find anything that could run both on linux yet.
Use two tools if one doesn’t get the job done, is kind of my point here. Sure you can pay for the convenience of f360, or you can build your own toolkit. Its like 2-in-1 shampoo, if it does both things it probably isn’t the best at either of them.
So rather than use a ready made software that works perfect for designing parts you suggest I build my own software? That is simply not a feasible solution, ESPECIALLY in a business environment lol. Your 2 in one shampoo comparison is kind of irrelevant, this is more akin to suggesting that instead of purchasing a car I design one from scratch! That doesn’t help adoption of Linux in the least, it is in fact the burden that keeps more windows users from adopting.
Bud if its not feasible for you don’t do it then.
As I stated in my original comment, some people use readymade suites and pay for support, that is their perogative.
I find I do Better quality work when I build my own toolkit, and tie the tools together my way.
To borrow an example from my father in reference to working on cars:
Sure you can buy a mechanic’s toolbox that will have everything you need but those are cheap, mass produced tools desogned to fit the needs of the everyman. If you buy an empty toolbox instead you can fill it with the tools you use, then you can have higher quality tools for the things you actually do with them and not waste space on tools you don’t ever touch.
I’ve seen some people say they got fusion 360 working on linux with bottles, but I didn’t have any luck with it. I use OpenSCAD and FreeCAD for making models to print, but if you need Fusion360 specifically for work (or specific Adobe products) then you are kind of stuck unless your company is ok with a change. You won’t be able to view or edit other people’s Fusion360 files without that specific application. You can always run Windows in a VM on linux and install only the applications you need it for there. If you have a good enough PC that is viable, but isn’t a great experience on a lower end system.
I have not used open scad or freecad! The thing about fusion that works so well for us at work is we can design prototypes and 3d print them out of plastic, and if the test fit goes well we can then move it over to our plasma machine and cut the parts from sheet stock then weld together to make our component. We also do some more component design (think central inflation systems though wheel hubs) but the more advanced stuff the boss handles. For us to adopt at work I think it would have to have compatibility with fusion 360 as that’s what my boss uses primarily and we have dozens maybe hundreds of design files to cut brackets for engine swaps gas tank mounts control arm brackets you name it. Suppose it’s probably a bit late for us to make any move to Linux, especially considering we just got a 4 axis cnc mill and I don’t think any Linux software will play with that
Yup. Got two days off, and I’m going Linux. If i can actually replace windows for what I need, then it looks like i just freed up some space on my nvme.
I’m jealous. There are a handful of windows-only pieces of software that I need, unfortunately.
Winboat could be stopgap measure until you no longer need that software
I’ll check it out :)
In a few years Microsoft will just release Windows 12, with most of these AI features removed. Maybe they’ll do some user friendly tweaks too, but just a few. And most of Windows refugees will come back, praising Microsoft for listening to the community. Meanwhile there’ll be even more spyware and even less user control over the OS, but the vast majority will never notice that. That’s all it takes.
I thought Windows 10 was the last ever version of Windows?
It’s the last for me! And many others as well it seems.
They got the punctuation all mixed up. Instead of ‘Windows 10 will be the last ever version! No more major upgrades!’ it was meant to read ‘Windows 10 will be the last ever version? No! More major upgrades!’
Unfortunate mistake
It’ll be taken care of by the new Microsoft CEO: Miguel Sanchez.
Let’s be real, windows 12 will be fully ai integrated
People that have been windows users for years that have been recently taking steps to remove windows from their lives aren’t going back when they remove AI (also, doubt that is ever happening). They’re pissed off, and if they manage to get their stuff working in Linux there’s absolutely no reason to switch back.
I am (was) a Windows user of 30 years and Windows 11 was the final straw for me. I’ve been playing around with Linux for 15 years but have only used it for my servers, as I never felt the desktop environment quite met the requirements for my daily driver.
One year ago, I made the switch, decided to power through and leave Windows behind. I was prepared to let go of the things that would not work on Linux and learn to live without them. Now, a year later, I’ve managed to migrate all my stuff to Linux. Sure, there are things I miss, but those are mostly aesthetics and not functionality.
And you are absolutely right! I’m pissed at Microsoft and have no plans to ever switch back.
Given MS has been testing Windows on the Cloud in the enterprise space for a while now, I wouldn’t be shocked if future major Windows versions, ie. Win12, became cloud-based.
Just like we saw with xp/vista/7, then 7/8/10. MS has a track record of good OS, gamble/shitty OS, slightly improved OS.
I think you are enormously overestimating their abilities to:
A) reflect on poor management decisions that hurt users. They have increased their company valuation TEN-fold under Satya Nadella over the last 11 years, and his push to cannibalise the hosted-services partners and Gold partners with Azure/365 made them a lot of ground before then. They became the second company ever to reach a valuation of $3T back in 2024. If you think a (globally) handful of unhappy home OS users will cause then to change course - I don’t think so, certainly never been my experience with MS.
B) win back most of the users they have lost to Windows. Why would those users return? They have what they need with their new solutions, and moving to them was a time and education cost that they have now fully paid, they’re invested. They’d have to have something very compelling to bring them back beyond, "hey guys we stopped being shit! ######for now "
Writing as a new CachyOS user, this is like finishing a move from Florida to New York, and then learning there’s another two hurricanes headed for your old hometown.
Legitimately. Fedora Bluefin here. Giving the atomic thing a try 😁
I dual boot my rig. My primary is popOS. Might be time to permanently kill windows 11.
Just do it
