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Glad I never invested into gmail as an email platform. I have gmail only as part of my google accounts.
That‘s the only way to truly get rid of their shenanigans. I started degoogling a while ago. I learned that a faulty spam recognition system at Youtube can ban all your accounts (they know your google alts even when you never linked them) instantly for a comment you posted in a livestream, thinking it‘s spam. That includes your mail accounts and google pay. Just like that. Imagine that, you lose access to your mails, the google app store and your preferred paying method without a warning because you posted the same laughing emote 3 chatters posted before you. It is very dangerous to be too dependent on a single platform so I moved my mail somewhere else. I pretty much only use Youtube regularly now in terms of Google products.
Yeah the only things I have a google account for are YouTube and the play store. And the play store is getting less use now that I have moved to Graphene. So nothing core to my life thankfully. Now if I can get my MS utilization down to that I will be feeling pretty good.
I pretty much only use Microsoft at work so it‘s my employer‘s problem when things go sideways there. But I understand not everyone can make the switch. Too much software and hardware drivers are still pretty much Windows only.
Yeah I’m not looking forward to that part either. I’m working on getting rid of all my services first, but that’s next on the list.
I’m honestly kinda surprised that Google is apparently not in fact doing this already and (according to the comments here) continues to not do so.
They don’t give a shit about what the law or terms say. They’ll just do whatever and if caught pay pennies on the dollar in fines.
We’ve seen them do this and win time and time again with the google library project and other actions. All the AI companies are training on any and all data they have access to, laws be damned. It’s the MO for any new venture capital / tech project with unlimited profits if someone gets there first.
It would be par for the course if they just ignored the settings changes when it comes to training their AI on your data, and you’re just turning off your access to the AI features instead.
I just opted out of Gmail
So what you’re saying is that all of Epsteins emails are going to be used to train Gemini? Interesting……
Does anyone have a good in depth guide on how to de-google? My ultimate goal is to not use Google at all and use Graphene OS on my Pixel
Sucks that they focus solely on google produced phones though.
Right? I hate how there’s like no options for phone OS
They’re working with another OEM to get a phone out with their security requirements
That’s what the consumers collectively wanted. Whether they knew it, or not.
That isnt how it works. We may have preferred others if they had been better, we were not given that option. I would prefer if windows phones existed as an alternative but they had very limited third party support.
Consumers couldnt take a phone where all their apps would not work.
Growing an ecosystem takes time. I’ve been using open source software since 1980s. Now I can use open source on tablets and phones. All my apps work because they’re open source.
The ecosystem would be now even better if more people would have put their choices that way. They didn’t. That was a choice, whether they realized it or not.
Yes and no. I support foss and am trying slowly to move myself. I would love a linux phone but supports are not in place to have a similar experience. Banking apps and app availability and feature parity are barriers. Consumers would move to something new if it filled their needs, see blackberry to iphone.
I hate microsoft so I dont care that they lost but they didnt give it enough time to build for sure, but you had huge apps like snapchat saying they wouldn’t build for their phone. This is limiting exposure.
The fact is moving out of tbe established duopoly is more akin to choosing not to have a device then it is choosing a competitor, it may aswell be a palm pilot you move to in some instances.
There’s no guide since everyone’s use case is different, and 100% is only obtainable if you avoid all tech. GrapheneOS or buy an iPhone are the best options. I went the grapheneos route, but I still use google play services as I found its the safest way to still get apps for now, and the disconnect from google is still much more than using stock android. I moved email to proton, maps I use OsmAnd.
Oh nice. Can you still install banking/credit card apps with Graphene? I’ve heard it can be a pain in the ass to get around
I don’t use any banking apps, but from what I’ve seen on forums it can be hit or miss depending on the bank. I only use their webpages. If my bank required an app, I’d find a different bank.
I think it depends on the bank
Might be simplest to get the smallest phone you can find for those kind of apps, and then do everything else on grapheneos. Might be hassle carrying two devices but at least one of the phones can be the cheapest thing you can find.
Unfortunately it comes down to luck, you can check this crowd-sourced list to see if your banking app works. Users report whether or not they had (sandboxed) play services installed and what settings they toggled.
You won’t be able to use GPay/Wallet at all due to lack of SafetyNet.
https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLR_ghQEN2SgB5ZpiIIzlJvtXhXHfEf1M7
TheHatedOne on YT has some good resources
You can also find degoogle lists with alternatives for each app, e.g. here: https://git.tycrek.com/archive/degoogle
My advice to you is to take one step at a time, explore at your own pace. It’s easy to get overwhelmed, but IMO each step is beneficial on its own. E.g. instead of moving to Proton.me in one night (or any other email provider), first start by forwarding the emails and see if you’re ok with the product
On the web UI they sneakily slide in the Gemini icon exactly where the settings icon is after about 2 seconds of loading the page which caught me out for the first account I was updating. Really annoying.
Seems like you can’t disable from the web? I’ve never used a Gmail app, always used via imap. Fucking hate having to download an app to turn this off. Not my primary email address, but it is my secondary. Should change that…
On browser view you can’t, but I switched to desktop view and it came up. The settings page on browser is fucking embarrassing.
Not to be a downer, but I’m confident Google scans every email with AI regardless.
People should still opt out, but we know Gmail itself is entirely compromised.
Thanks for making it easy, friend. It takes a lot of clicking to turn this stuff off lol.
I already disabled all that “smart” crap years ago.
You have been automatically OPTED IN to allow Gmail to access all your private messages & attachments to train AI models.
“Feature”
That site is cancer on mobile. Can anyone TLDR this article for me?
i closed reader view and scrolled just to see and wow the POPUPS and 50% of the page length being ads
WHAT
who uses the internet like this and finds it acceptable?!
Has the steps and is relatively short
It would’ve been nice if malwarebytes had actually fact checked those steps to turn off smart features for the app on mobile. Because as they are right now, it only works on the desktop version of gmail.com despite what they claim in the steps themselves.
Here’s how to turn it off on iOS:
- Open the gmail app
- Tap on the hamburger menu (top left) and scroll all the way down and tap on “Settings”
- Go to “Data privacy” option in the settings menu (they omitted this step on Malwarebytes)
- Turn off “Smart features”
good thing my gmail is full of spammy bullshit.
I deleted Gmail I won’t go there ever again
What do you use now?
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A lot of bad press on them too though
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They have still a long way to go to be worse than google
I for one won’t opt out because the only thing I get is spam and work shit. Go ahead train the AI off spam. The vast majority of emails are spam.
Yeah my gmail is mostly for spam. I dont get any real emails to it.
I logged into my GMail account for the first time in years due to this (I normally just use it as an IMAP server.) The “smart features” were already turned off.
It would certainly be nice if we could have sources of information about these kinds of privacy issues that didn’t lie their asses off constantly to create hysteria, but I guess that’s too much to ask for.
Glad I have uBlock installed so at least this site didn’t get any ad revenue from me.
It was already on for me I had to disable it. I appreciate the warning.
Imma leave it.
All I get is fucking spam. Let them train on that shit and make Gemini even shittier than it already is. I swear, AI sucks major shit but Google’s especially takes the cake for how shitty it is compared to all the others.
I left it last year for tutamail.
Its not fancy. But why the hell do I want fancy email?
I went yahoo for ‘that mail’.
by ‘that mail’, nothing I use professionally, but need for entertainment, picky store accounts and food.
Steam, for instance thinks my domain email address is a temp email and won’t let me use it, they don’t think the same of yahoo.
