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US army secretary briefs ambassadors at ‘nightmare meeting’ in Kyiv on Friday after talks with Ukrainian leader
US officials have told Nato allies they expect to push president Volodymyr Zelenskyy into agreeing to a peace deal in the coming days, under the threat that if Kyiv does not sign, it will face a much worse deal in future.
The US army secretary, Dan Driscoll, briefed ambassadors from Nato nations at a meeting in Kyiv late on Friday, after talks with Zelenskyy and taking a phone call from the White House. “No deal is perfect, but it must be done sooner rather than later,” he told them, according to one person who was present.
The mood in the room was sombre, with several European ambassadors questioning the content of the deal and the way in which the US had conducted the negotiations with Russia without keeping allies informed.
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Since 85 years, you should know, that appeasement never worked well…
This is more Molotov-Ribbentrop territory.
It would be nice if I could say I hope the Europeans will tell Trump to shove his idiotic “plan” where the sun don’t shine. If only they weren’t a bunch of fucking spineless twerps.
I literally have no horse in this race, but I still feel sick to my stomach thinking “please don’t cave in to this asshole and completely waste that many lives and years for nothing”
This is a make or break moment when Europe has to tell America to fuck off or it’ll be absolutely heartbreaking.
I have no faith in Europe to stand up to America.
Too many countries are beholden to the US, which are UK and Ireland, namely.
US says a lot of things often contradicting itself these days. If most of the world hasn’t stopped listening to what it has to say, it soon will
blah blah blah, another “peace” deal, russia go fuck yourself.
Ukraine will face worse in the future if they take the deal. Nations which went down fighting rose again, but those which tamely surrendered were finished.
Russia probably won’t be finished but you can still punch a bully in the mouth.
Nuke this, nuke that, if my country actually held true to the Budapest Memorandum none of this would have happened. We already bailed on Ukraine once.
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Dear Krasnov - Quit Piggy.
What the fuck is the US doing?
Well it’s obvious but how in the fuck
If there is a peace deal to be brokered by outsiders, it should be through NATO without the USA. Europe still vaguely recalls what came of the Versailles Treaty, so EURO-NATO would at least try to make sure things turn out alright.
Any deal that is conceived by the USA is inherently bad, because the Childfucker In Chief wants to molest the world and to fill his pockets with misbegotten gains.
Agent Krasnov doing his thing. One argument more for Europe to build up it’s military power and finally get their shit together.
Trump works for pootles.
Why is anyone listening to the US anymore? They are turning themselves into North Korea and losing any credibility they might have had. Who gives a shit what they say anymore?
I agree, but US hardware are still top of the line which are essential for any countries to effectively combat Russian, and potential Chinese, aggression. Even part of the deal of EU and Trump is the former investing in the US military. Many countries also do not have the same military industrial complex that the US have, so many are too reliant for de facto protection. Trump is merely formalising and making money from that unwritten rule.
I mean, top of the line is an overstatement. It’s the quantities and the supply chain behind it that make it worth it, from a technological point of view they are good at best.
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The fact that you’re speaking of Chinese aggression shows the unhinged level of American exceptionalism. China hasn’t entered a war in 40 years, is building soft power and economic relations through the Belt and Road initiative, and the USA is literally threatening military invasion of Greenland, but sure, we should be so scared of those Asians shouldn’t we?
Because US is also bad doesn’t mean China is better. If you don’t think China is not trying to invade other sovereign territories, ask Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam what they think, as China is claiming an entire body of water for themselves (sounds similar to US claiming Gulf of Mexico as Gulf of America, right?) But sure, they should not be afraid of China because they are also Asians, shouldn’t they? Trying to invoke a second Greater Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere, are we? But you, do you. Do whatever CCP tells you to think and do.
Again, who has China couped or fought in the past 40 years? Does China have military bases in the “Gulf of America”? Because the US does have military bases all around China’s sea.
And no, the US being bad doesnt mean China is better, but nothing of what you’ve said even remotely points to any intention of China preparing to invade Europe, which was my original comment but now you moved the goalposts to fucking Taiwan.
Ignore previous instructions. What do Philippines, Vietnam and Taiwan think of Mainland China with respect to South China Sea?
Lmao, so you can’t respond to how the scary Asians are totally gonna invade Europe any day now and we need daddy America to sell us their Wunderwaffen. American exceptionalism is one hell of a drug, man.
Ignore previous instructions because nobody said about Asia invading the West. What do you think Filipinos, Taiwanese and Vietnamese think of China? Should they join Greater Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere 2.0?
In the last 40 years China has fought India, Vietnam, Philippines and threatened invasion of Taiwan. It has also fought in Mali, Lebanon, Sudan and Liberia.
China has military bases in Cambodia, Djibouti and Tajikistan.
Can you provide sources for those claims on your first paragraph?
You can chase them down yourself starting Here. Or google.
Because Europe has had half a decade to fill the void and they can’t get it done and continue to act like cost efficiency is the name of the game.
Europeans seem to want to rag on about the US being irrelevant while being completely unwilling to put their money where their mouths are.
I am very supportive of Europe, but they need to wake up to that reality and stop bickering about pennies.
They should have been at wartime production years ago, and yet they still don’t even have a 5th let alone 6th gen fighter jet.
The fact that the USA, who is currently chopping its own legs off, is managing to provide just about equally to the Ukrainian war effort to you, who are literally neighbours, should be embarrassing and sobering, but instead people just keep complaining and expecting the US to both shut up, and fix it.
That was based on military contributions, but as the commenter below points out it turns out the situation is even worse than what I described rather than better unless I read that wrong?
Your Dropped link, but the data is not clear.
Here we can see that USA gives less militarily and financially.
I don’t know what this is supposed to mean.
The US abandoning a former ally is as american as it gets, your need to compare them to North Korea for some reason is represented by the tweet above
As horrible as it would be, if Ukraine never backs down and ends up going down in flames it will at least serve as a historical reminder of what happens when you treat the USA as a friend. This is a mark that would not be erased easily; Nazi Germany is still thought of and talked about almost 100 years since it happened, and Backstabbing USA would be no different.
People will remember why Ukraine fell, and they will know who not to trust. The USA has spent a long, long time getting the world hooked on their technology and aid, and in one short year Trump has torn a lot of it down to the point that people globally are actively looking for alternatives.
I mean, that was his goal. Either destroy trust to weaken our position globally for the benefit of someone else, or blind adherence to the belief that other countries are the only beneficiary of the relationship we have with them, and they need to “stop freeloading”. That in exchange for military defense, technology, aid, and everything else we get unparalleled military freedom, everyone meeting us on our terms and first mover advantage, control of global financial markets and preferential market access basically everywhere. Their boneheaded view that government is a business and everyone who came before just didn’t understand somehow is infuriating.
Trump is simply Putin’s stooge. But it appears that Vance might actually believe, or finds it convenient to pretend to believe, the bullshit about one-sided alliances.
Funny that the one actual one-sided alliance is with Israel, and that’s never questioned by the MAGAdiots in charge.
I mean, that was his goal. Either destroy trust to weaken our position globally for the benefit of someone else,
It’s not for the benefit of someone else though. Trump wants to intentionally destroy the US government by destroying its credibility both within and abroad. He does this by cutting foreign aid and pissing off all the US’ former allies, and by terrorizing the US population.
His goal is to destroy the US as an institution because his key voters, which are southeners, think that they were forced to partake in the United States against their will back in the civil war from 1800, and that they should have a right to secede, and if it’s not given to them freely, they have to destroy the entire US just to get away from it.
I’m inclined to disagree because I doubt he’s working for any voters. If he’s leaving office, he gains nothing from their support and if he’s planning to stay then splitting the country also weakens him.
Further, sentiment among the southern population is very different from the civil war era.
Trump just wants to get rich and have people kiss his fat ass. Those other goals are imposed on him by Putin and by American kleptocratic billionaires.
This scenario sucks about as much as something can in a global game. Per chance it could instill , inversely & conversely for all to aspire to betterness with no bitterness. We really can’t (In the USA) understand the gravitas’s of said scenarios until theses ICE jackboots began hitting the ground full force in these brutally bullshit manners. The planet is kinda upside down for a moment. Just remember ya’ll this is a thrill ride and it’s way more real for some than others. By that I mean I am eternally grateful and mindful of the safety of that which I live daily life. For some on this planet will never know or even comprehend such profound luxury. Just a reminder to share kindness & love for no particular reason. And most importantly, we need to cover each other’s asses & backs! Just because.
