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this is why he has a nephew and not a son.
Probably because it was Roblox and an iPad
If it was a Nintendo DS and Pokemon Black 2 you could have never been able to deny peak
Gotta have the GTS access
The DS would not be able to connect to OP’s network to begin with.
DSi and 3DS support WPA 2, but games must be DSi Enanched to go online on WPA/WPA2. DS and DS-only games support only WEP.
To play online my DS games I have a guest network with not broadcasted SSID and no password, but only allows my DSLite, DSi and 3DS’s MAC addresses to connect one at a time and has its very own subnet. Not too secure, yeah, but it’s all I could do on my home router.
What games are you playing online?
I didn’t realize those systems had online games, or at least i image no one plays.Mostly Pokemon Black 2, Pokemon HeartGold, Mario Kart DS, and WarioWare: D.Y.I…
There are many online games on DS and DSi. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nintendo_DS_Wi-Fi_Connection_games
The 3DS added a lot of focus online while the DS and DSi had it more close to a gimmick, and most games on the 3DS did have online modes.
Online service for all games was terminated in 2014, so online play of DS and DSi games is done with private servers by the community and online forums to plan games.
At this stage yes, barely anyone plays as it is now a niche community of enthusiasts.
Ah private servers, that makes sense. Pretty cool man. Enjoy
What’s the issue with the security posture of iPads you are implying?
I like the Nintendo DS and 3DS systems of consoles
based
Classic BOFH.
Simple solution: log the kid into your neighbor’s wifi.
Not possible, neighbor implemented Negative Trust.
As an early teen my parents turned off the WiFi router at night and when not in use. I eventually found the neighbor had an exploitable WEP router from an Android app, and I used it to continue watching Minecraft and Happy Wheels videos on Youtube.
My son did this…
Congrats, pretty sure “mom took away my internet” is the primary entry point for IT professionals
For me it was my older brother (who owned the only computer in the house). He had very strict rules about what I could do on his PC but even then he would only leave his room unlocked once a week at most. This was before I even cared for internet so being offline was no big deal.
When I was 13 I managed to talk my way into doing some chores for a neighborhood PC school in exchange for access to computers whenever there was some free spot in any of their classes. A couple years later they opened a Lan House so I worked there and could finally use PCs all day every day. One more year and I was already teaching programming classes there (well, trying to).
I was already really interested in computers myself. My own explosion of interest was a game called WarioWare: D.I.Y. that let you make minigames using a built-in editor.
I’m old enough you have to replace “cracking neighbors wifi” with cloning our modem and “youtube” with funny pictures from irc homies, but same. Working around internet access restrictions was a milestone between fun things I could do with computers and how they really worked
What’s the modem clone about?
They would unplug our isp provided modem and take it to bed with them, so I tracked down another one from the manufacturer and copied the eeprom from theirs onto it. It was a simpler time :p
Lol his reward was I retired from family tech support and gave the reins to him. He loved it at first but realized it for the curse it was within a few months.
Hes given it back to me by refusing to call my parents back when they call asking for help. I’d ground him but he’s an adult and my shenanigans don’t mean much anymore 😂
:D great fam
Similar situation: I legit taught myself how to use aircrack-ng when I was like 12 because I wanted to play Mario Kart on my grandma’s Wii, but it needed internet to download an update, which she didn’t have. However, the neighbor had a WEP-encrypted network, and I was staying the night. The rest is history.
I got old 😭
I got in after pcs were consumer devices but before the Internet (mostly because I was rural).
I’m older, so my entry point was “I wanna make my OWN Marios”
Yeah, there’s the old “strict parents make sneaky kids” saying that is often very true. Parents who try to lock down their tech often find that kids will just bypass the tech entirely. Nothing is more singularly motivated than a 14 year old who wants to look at tits, and locking it down only encourages them to do shady shit like get a secret prepaid phone, or hack the neighbor’s WiFi.
The kid started crying for not being able to play roblox?
Allowing children on roblox is negligence at this point so I think this is unironically in the right
Deleting Roblox and installing Factorio
You’ll thank me when you’re older, kid.
Older? Poor kid might forget to eat or drink water if you get him hooked on Factorio
In my generation, we lived on Mountain Dew and Cheetos, and look at the Sim Cities we built.
Look on my works Sim Mayor and
How often do you eat water?
Pedant version: [eat || (drink water)]
The factory must grow.
“Why is my child applying to Nestle’s child mines”
he yearns
How do you mine for children? Do they form like crystals in the earth?
Paying for Factorio and letting their engineering career pay for your retirement home is way cheaper than saving for retirement!
I refuse to allow my own child on it. It takes zero effort to see all the super shady shit happening there. I wont have my child exposed to that crap.
I played Roblox with my kids for years and didn’t find any shady shit. Not saying there is no shady stuff on there, but after 100s of hours either it’s suddenly gotten worse, we somehow dodged all the shady shit or the media have exaggerated the issue. Take your pick.
I played with my kids because they desperately wanted to join in on the fun but the reports of it being pedo land made me create a rule of “you only play when we play together”. We had great fun, have many fond memories of our time on there.
This kind of reads like a catholic who brought their kids to mass their whole childhood and disbelieves that catholic priests are child molestors because they never molested your child. They don’t prey on children with present caring parents who don’t leave their children unsupervised. They prey on solitary, neglected, vulnerable children, or for catholics those who are willing to trust a priest alone with them. In roblox it’s the same but without the implicit trust of an authority figure. The pedos probably avoided you. You didn’t somehow dodge the shady shit, you inadvertently created a bubble of safety that prevented your kids from being preyed upon because there’s so much easier prey around.
That’s an odd way to twist it. I must have had “parent” tagged to my avatar so to avoid the nasties.
You definitely dodged the shady shit with that rule. Not just pedo land either, also the illegal child labor.
When my kids were younger I treated the internet like a large room full of strangers of all kinds good and bad. I wouldn’t let my 8yr old wonder around on her own there so why would I on social media or multiplayer games.
My sister-in-law let her 10 year old daughter play it with zero supervision. When we found out we told her she should be watching what her daughter’s doing so she went in to check and found the kid talking to some grown man from Azerbaijan.
The American use “ironically” is probably the only difference between our dialects that I’ll stand firm on.
My friends, we already have a use for the word, and it’s not this!
I’m all about linguistic innovation, but using “unironically” in place of “seriously” and “ironically” in place of “sarcastically”/”not seriously" is not happy times for me.
Unless you give me a new word for irony.
I quite like y’all, I use that all the time, not against Americanisms in general, just this one.
hey don’t blame us, we learned it from the brits
Oh interesting, I hadn’t noticed that!
yeah playing with the three types of irony was extremely popular in early 1700s britlit. early american lit tried to distinguish itself from britlit by focusing less on irony and more on allegory and symbolism. however by the late 1800s american lit came to emphasize irony almost as hard as the previous century’s britlit had, though i think our only author to really do as much verbal irony (saying one thing, meaning another) as that era of britlit was F Scott Fitzgerald in the 1920s.
i’m curious now how Australian literature plays with irony. if there’s an absence of verbal irony, is there more literary irony (the consequences of the action are tied comically to the action) and dramatic irony (the audience knows things the characters don’t)? and did the divergence happen because our war of independence resulted in the brits no longer using our southern colonies as a penal colony just as they were getting bored of this?
or were early Australians more likely to reject this device because they felt it was a signifier of their oppressors?
My understanding, from how people use it here is that irony is a situation which is a contrast between the expected/intended and actual outcome.
It’s ironic when a fire station burns down
This definition is truly upsetting: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony
Americans, no. Bad Americans.
This definition is correct (until we come up with a good substitute, FFS America): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
Glad Wikipedia agrees with me on this one haha We’ll at least the introductory definition.
Edit: to answer your question. I dunno. I just think this form of “ironic” just didn’t take off in Australia.
Mostly because we already have words for what Americans use it for. And don’t have words to replace irony.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hi, American checking in. I was taught in English class in high school that irony is an ambulance running people over, not just sarcasm. I do agree that colloquially (and I am probably guilty of it too) we Americans use the word “irony” to talk about things being presented in a non-genuine and earnest manner, to talk about sarcasm and snark and parody.
I was taught in English class in high school that irony is an ambulance running people over, not just sarcasm
This is a relief, there is hope yet haha
To me, the original post was riddled with “verbal” irony - they were saying things whose words meant one thing but the overall post was actually making fun of the ideas the words were presenting.
My comment serves to state that I agree with the point the words are making and not the meaning through the lens of irony. Ie, unironically.
Cambridge dictionary 2nd definition of irony
irony noun [U] (TYPE OF SPEECH) the use of words that are the opposite of what you mean, as a way of being funny
I respect the pushback though. I have similar gripes with “sarcasm” being used when “irony” is correct and vice versa.
I don’t think I’ve ever heard sarcasm used when irony is appropriate. Because “ironically” seems to be taking over (for Americans, not in Australia)
“That’s so sarcastic” referring to irony isn’t a thing. Or at least, I’ve neve heard it.
“the use of words that are the opposite of what you mean” bad Cambridge, bad! That’s sarcasm.
Could be my cultural context, and my bias because I constantly hear Americans misusing ‘ironic’.
Don’t use it differently without providing a replacement please and thank you!
Wikipedia gets it right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony “Irony is a juxtaposition of what, on the surface, appears to be the case with what is actually or expected to be the case”
Guess we’ll have to agree to disagree - I agree that there are people misusing the words ironic/unironic, I don’t think this case is one of them. Have a good one!
45 minutes setting up an alt vlan?
Was he getting paid by the hour?
The experience of managing a consumer-grade LAN appliance:
Open web browser
Start typing 192.168.0.1
It auto-inserts 192.168.0.12 because that’s the IP address of your NAS, and you’ve logged into it to adjust something at some point in the last six months. You register it has done this as you’re releasing the Enter key.
click Back.
Type the IP address again, this time carefully deleting the 2 it oh so helpfully inserted.
Wait 3 to 5 business weeks while the 16-bit ARM microcontroller they put in these things serves a web page like old people fuck. It loads to a completely useless stats page that has no information that anyone has ever needed to know.
Click LAN Setup.
Wait 3 to 5 business weeks while the 16-bit ARM microcontroller they put in these things serves a web page like old people fuck.
Parse the wall of acronyms before you, click the link that says DHCP.
Wait 3 to 5 business weeks while the 16-bit ARM microcontroller they put in these things serves a web page like old people fuck.
It continues in that fashion until you get what you need done or your network stops working and you have to get a pen and press the Reset button on the back of the device.
It auto-inserts 192.168.0.12 because that’s the IP address of your NAS, and you’ve logged into it to adjust something at some point in the last six months. You register it has done this as you’re releasing the Enter key.
I avoid this by having my router interface on 1) a double digit IP. And 2) a non-standard port
Imagine not having an opnsense firewall deployed as an IT professional
Wait 3 to 5 business weeks while the 16-bit ARM microcontroller they put in these things serves a web page like old people fuck.
This also goes for some NAS appliances and the in-dash console of newer cars. Underpowered ARM implementations are the scourge of this decade.
IT professional doesn’t have local DNS? LOL
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Guest vlan? Smart.
Blocking 80/443 knowing all to well everything depends on those: evil.
Throttling to 56k: the original original poster just being a dick.
Took 45 minutes: Maybe find another job. You’re not good at it.
Conclusion: The sister was right. Evil incompetent dick.
I have a feeling this is satire, and I’m usually the type of person to miss the joke and think it’s genuine
Even if it is satire, doesn’t mean we can do a full breakdown, especially for comedic value.
I mean fuck me, i can build an entire bespoke DDU from bare metal to cool down in less time than that.
Took 45 minutes: Maybe find another job. You’re not good at it.
Bit harsh.
The OpenWRT guest wifi guide isn’t a simple switch like you would get on your OEM router, but involves manually setting up a bridge device, a new firewall zone, and a new AP on one of your radios.
This can take some time if you want to do things the right way. 10 minutes to setup with no extra config steps. Add another 10 if you need to move around your firewall rules, and another 20 for random debugging.
https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/wifi/guestwifi/configuration_webinterface
Although, you set it up once. After that it’s just a checkbox.
and of course you need to tag the new network on all your switches, routers, APs… not to forget testing and integration in your monitoring system. 45 minutes is absolutely fine.
Oh true , hadn’t thought about that - I just assumed it was a single device
This is just Uncle BOFH.
I’m very against Roblox. I know a kid who had a really hard time with online predators and a lot of it stated with Roblox. He’s 19 now. He and I were talking about it recently.
Parents think Roblox is like Minecraft bc of the aesthetics of the game. But, Roblox is not a game with a chat feature, it’s a chat room with some games. That’s a big difference.
They have 380 million users. Around 60% of the user base is under the age of 16. 40% is under the age of 12. That’s 152 million mostly unmonitored kids.
I’m sure Roblox has gotten better moderation during that time, but in our experience predators meet kids on Roblox and get them to exchange Discord or other contact info with them.
Discord is also a problem here, but that’s for another rant in another thread. If you are concerned about your kids and want to discuss it with me, feel free to message me.
TLDR: DO NOT LET YOUR KIDS PLAY ROBLOX unless you are actively monitoring the game.
I’m sure Roblox has gotten better moderation during that time
Quite the opposite.
And here too! https://consumerrights.wiki/w/Roblox
Don’t forget the child labor aspect. https://www.theguardian.com/games/2022/jan/09/the-trouble-with-roblox-the-video-game-empire-built-on-child-labour
The whole company is gross. I forgot about this.
The younger kid’s chat is disabled. not allowed to friend anyone.
The older kid has chat enabled, but is only allowed to friend people we vet.
Computers are in an open area, chats have been keylogged, we check occasionally.
If friends show up unanounced, or they chat where they’re not supposed to, they lose internet access long enough to regret it
When they get old enough to have friends online, we contact the parents, make sure they’re compatible politically, theologogically, just generally not extremists and their kids have some base level of dicipline and are safety minded.
We also semi-regularly play with them and set rules about the appropriateness of the games in relation to the kids ages. The younger one’s don’t get to play the violent ones.
Crazy, but it’s almost like parenting can make the environment safer!
Lemmy likes to portray Roblox the same way the 10pm news portrayed the Internet when I was in my preteens and teen years, like it was the wild west, everyone was a predator, etc. I let my kids hop on. Their friends include me, their mom (who has an account for some reason), each other, and the kids who live across the street. They like to play the platformers, and they invite me sometimes and we play them.
They’ll get older and they’ll go explore the internet the same way I did. I spent my adolescence and teen years eventually in AIM chat rooms, then forums, and thn Skyping random people, and somehow didn’t become a terrorist, didn’t get predated. I also am of the school of thought that you need to learn things on your own, rather than have no exposure to things that could potentially be bad.
Crazy, but it’s almost like parenting can make the environment safer!
NOooooooooooo!!! We need the gubmint to impose stupid laws to protect teh children!!!
Yeah. I wouldn’t let my kids in Roblox personally bc of how the company has tried to ignore the problem . if parents just took time to understand it and talk to their kids about safety, it would solve many problems, not just in Roblox.
Also, I did grow up with AIM and all that nonsense and I did get predators talking to me constantly, especially on AOL and Yahoo. Crazy that we had such different experiences during that age.
@Dozzi92
it’s also important to remember that different kids have different needs. Some kids can handle it fine, others may be more at risk due to past trauma or developmental delays.I do agree it’s all about teaching them safety and guiding them rather than forever sheltering them.
What’s most dangerous is completely leaving them to fend for themselves.
@rumba
Making sure the parents of your kids friends are compatible politically and theologically sounds incredibly dodgy to me.
I will say this as well: strict parents raise sneaky children
the fact that theology is even a concern is a big red flag for me dawg
Alternately they raise socially inept children if they failed to be sneaky.
Not from a multi-race household I see.
If little Timmy’s parents start talking about “those kids” my kids isn’t playing with him. Too many racist fucks out there.
If you meant racism you should have said that. Saying politically and theologically compatible implies a lot more than that. In fact it implies they have to be the same religion, which is being bigoted in itself.
Bc of what I went through with my ex’s kid, I talk help parents talk to kids about online safety. It’s good that you are so proactive!
The #1 thing I see parents miss in those safety talks is coming up with a plan when something bad happens so kids know what to do.
I spoke to my 14 year old niece last weekend. She wants to use Snapchat but her parents said no. I asked her what she would do if she got a dick pick from a stranger. I asked her what she would do if her boyfriend sent her one. Various situations like that.
She didn’t know what to do, so together, we came up with a plan and identified an adult in her life that she would feel comfortable talking to that isn’t her parents. A third part adult that you and your kid can trust is helpful for kids that are afraid to talk to their parents and get grounded.
For example: if your kid is online after they got grounded and something bad happened, they might be afraid to tell you since they weren’t suppose to be online, but maybe they’ll be okay speaking to an aunt or uncle.
Every situation is different
Damn good points.
Youngest is younger that. I’m just not letting him chat until he’s a teen
Eldest has had all the appropriate talks before he got on discord.
I have spoken to multiple parents about how dangerous this “game” is.
I tell them that I’d let my kids walk across times square in NYC alone before I’d let them play Roblox.
Honestly times square is pretty safe these days, but it seems to be an effective analogy to other parents emphasizing the kind of danger that roblox presents.
we contact the parents, make sure they’re compatible politically, theologogically
This is insane. You call that kid’s mom to ask who she votes for and what name she uses for god, and if it doesn’t match yours, kids can’t have fun?
We have a 15 minute conversation to find out if they’re batshit crazy slur calling racist trumpeters because we dont need to subject our kids to that shit.
I find it insane that you wouldn’t take 15 minutes to get to know who your kids influencers are, but you do you.
There is a vast difference between ascertaining that someone is or is not a racist and asking about their religion and political affiliations. Do you not understand that difference?
d asking about their religion and political affiliations.
To be completely reasonable, I’ve not seen any strong right-wing supporters that are not either deeply racist or don’t care what’s going on with black/brown people right now.
If someone is so far up Fox News’ butt that they think nothing wrong is going on, I sure as FUCK don’t want them recruiting my children.
There is a vast difference between being in a different political affiliation and whatever the fuck is going on right now. I don’t want my kids wrapped up in that bullshit and if you support it, just block me now.
A friend’s 8 year old daughter was asking to play Roblox recently and they reached out to me since it’s in my current area of study and advised them against it due to the lack of responsibility that the corporation takes for their users.
I suggested that they introduce her to Vintage Story on a self hosted server instead. That way, they can control who has access and content.
I’m actually surprised at how many parents let their kids play Roblox unmonitored. I mean, why not let them go to the playground unmonitored instead?
why not let them go to the playground unmonitored instead?
That would actually be the safer option imo.
And far better for their physical and mental health.
Vintage Story
Bro threw them straight into the deep end lmao
I encourage parents to talk to their kids about online safety but specifically come up with a plan. I’ve written this in a few comments, but u really believe it helps.
Ask them what they do if a stranger says something that makes them scared or uncomfortable. Ask them what they would do if it’s someone they know like a friend or a family member. Help them come up with a plan and identify a person who is a safe person to tell. Someone parents and kids trust, often it’s an aunt or uncle.
A parent is fine too, but at a certain age, I find kids seem to be afraid of getting in trouble or maybe just uncomfortable talking to their parents about sex, so having a 3rd party that the kids and parents trust is a good back up option.
why not let them go to the playground unmonitored instead?
It’s highly likely there is no playground.
Do you have any idea how many bitch about you NOT letting them go to the playground unmonitired
Fuck you with your ISO 27001 compliance!
Also, fuck that kid.
Also, fuck that kid’s mother.
She’s the enabler here.
Beautiful
What idiot IT specialist does not run a segregated VLAN for guest wifi access? That is just rude.
A broke one.
And separate wifi networks that are connected to different vpns from around the world.
Which actual IT guy supports antivirus?
Ohh fuck yes, I support antivirus, but only on Windows, maybe, possibly OSX. If you give bare Windows to a kid, they’ll have viruses as soon as they learn to use Google.
TBF, Fam gets my guest network. It’s not allowed to touch anything in my house, they can only route through. DHCP sends their DNS to 4.2.2.2 and 8.8.8.8, They can’t even touch my DNS, they can’t see any of my home automation and they can’t see each other. They can push the connection as hard as they want, the QOS won’t let them take priority.
For my son I just used APLs in group policy. Only approved apps could run. I encouraged him to be better than me and he has definitely kept me on my toes. Now he is in college for cyber security and loving it.
So far he hasn’t broken anything major on his computer or the network, well, aside from messing up his BIOS a couple times… But then he got to teach me how to program EEPROM (like I said, he has kept me learning stuff I normally wouldn’t).
EEPROM’s are fun. If you want more of that, check out Ben Eater on YouTube, he has a giant series on building an 8-bit computer from scratch. he actually goes through the whole design philosophy. There’s a lot of ‘new’ stuff in there that’s not entirely boring.
Thanks! I’ll definitely check it out!
Lol generally I’ll refer to the OS builtin tooling (XProtect/MS Defender) and EDRs as “Antivirus” otherwise the non-techies will freak OmG wE hAVe NO aV! And then the “anti”-viruses like mcafee and Kaspersky mysteriously spawns
And also on-demand AV software can be good for spot checks or if you’re sus of something.
It’s the “Real-time” shit that hooks into the kernel that needs to be avoided like the plague
Lock down their accounts so they can’t even install shit.
When i was a windows person many moons ago i ran into viruses once or twice. Kaspersky was the only av in those days that effectively cleaned them from my system.
Now i am a linux dude. Where there doesnt really seem to be an effective antivirus solution because, even though malware exists, it’s so fucking sophisticated and stealthy you may never know it.
it’s so fucking sophisticated and stealthy you may never know it.
Even more reason to install an AV on Linux.
It is the whole point of an AV to prevent malware the user doesn’t notice.
Almost every malware tries to be invisible to the user. Because if they aren’t, they would be wiped off instantly. This goes for every OS.
There dont seem to be any particularly effective ones.
In my experience malwareis just so different in linux tho, like. Malicious udev rules, bpfdoor, that ssh things hears ago that allowed someone to basically eavesdrop on anything that was right there in the code.
If someone manages to get something malicious running on linux it’s a different ballgame from wjndows - theres so much bash everywhere that can be modified to do nasty things.
Im not saying an antivirus is a bad idea on linux or anything - but there really doesnt seem to be anything decent.
Clamav seems like the only game in town. And i have nonidea how effective that is anyway
