• Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
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      How the fuck is chomky a tankie. Based on this evidence he’s clearly a lot of things, but calling him a tankie is ridiculous

      tankie once more clearly just getting used as a pejorative for anyone an anti-communist social democrat dislikes

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        Don’t take shitposts so seriously!

        A tankie is a supporter of authoritarian state capitalism and the genocidal imperialist policies of such regime that follow such a model. Nothing more, nothing less. )

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          (posted in the cryptofash comm)

          ‘i have a ‘very negative’ view of the oligarchs running the dictatorship of capital, but tankies are subhuman roaches’

          kay you were clearly just shitposting

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            The “leftists” of .world and .db0 have fully embraced mask off Nazism so long as it lets them punch left

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              Yeah I’ve noticed that on db0 they think they’re being “normal” but it’s the fasc they have been surrounded with since birth, but on world they’re liberals who would rather knowingly vote fasc than lose a single penny of profit

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                The admins of db0 have endorsed the stance that every Soviet soldier deserved to die for not surrendering to the Nazis

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          So Nordic model leftists are tankies. Ukraine supporters are tankies. Nelson Mandela was a tankie.

          Edit: oh, turns out they are an outright Nazi

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              Are Nordic model leftists supporters of Authoritarianism? That’s the key part.

              Yes. Absolutely. By definition. By any leftist definition, the Nordic states are undeniably authoritarian. They are literally capitalist! The fact that you are even asking this is absurd.

              Do they think a dictatorship is a good idea?

              Yes, they think the dictatorship of capitalist class is a good idea. Again, this is undeniable by any leftist definition.

              Or do they excuse or deny a genocide because the people doing it are opposed to the US?

              Given that nobody does this, apparently there’s no such thing as a tankie. Or are you just trying to slip in a blatant strawman?

              Chompsky has done both

              You listed three things, you illiterate dipshit.

              Pol Pot

              opposed to the US

              You absolute fucking dumbass.

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                  Imagine thinking “how can you possibly think capitalism is authoritarian! That’s absurd! You clearly no nothing” was going to be a compelling argument to anti-capitalists.

                  Seriously, another prime example that “tankie” is just a pejorative for anyone left of Elizabeth Warren

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      i know i shouldn’t expect much from the users of a right wing circlejerk instance, but come on: are y’all seriously calling fucking chomsky a tankie now?

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        I am not right wing. Believe it or not it’s possible to be left leaning and not spew gibberish like “NATO made putin invade”, “NK is a vanguard against imperialism” and “everything I don’t like is a GIA psyop”.

        More so if for example you speak fluent russian, you’ve lived there for multiple years and you’ve studied the history of russian imperialism (be it in the form of the USSR or its current form).

        I wouldn’t say Chomsky is a tankie, but his involvement with US oligarchs and authoritarians does make one wonder…

        FYI, I consider tankies to be supporters of authoritarian state capitalism and the genocidal imperialist policies of such models.

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      I’m saving this post to show to anyone who tries to claim “tankie” is anything other than a meaningless snarl word for punching left

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        I agree that he is technically not a tankie, I guess campist would be a more accurate term. But considering these recent revelations, one would does wonder…

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                Can someone who justifies russian imperialism and promotes russian propaganda copytext be considered a tankie? :)

                In all seriousness, Chomsky is not tankie.

                That being said, what’s with the association with US oligarchs involved with abuse of minors and happy photos with US authoritarians?

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                  Those that support Russia aren’t actually left wing they are just claiming to be. So I guess it depends on the definition of tankie.

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                  Can someone who justifies russian imperialism and promotes russian propaganda copytext be considered a tankie? :)

                  Chomsky is anti-Russia too, what are you talking about?

                  That being said, what’s with the association with US oligarchs involved with abuse of minors and happy photos with US authoritarians?

                  Answer my question first: were there any “tankies” on Epstein’s plane? Chomsky isn’t one, so name one.

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                Of course. as long as you use the liberal the definition of tankie which is ‘everyone who disagrees with US foreign policy’

                Real answer: I guess Tito? lol

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    Gonna sound like 20-20 hindsight, but I never found Chomsky to be particularly insightful or interesting in the first place. Same with people like Malcolm Gladwell and Naomi Klein. They’re just “meh”. Yeah, they say some things I agree with…but that’s low hanging fruit. They’re always wrong and no more valuable to me than random people I know or meet.

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      I think Chomsky has some very valid points and have learned a lot from him. However most of Chomsky’s criticism ironically applies to Chomsky himself. Chomsky tries to limit the left to voting Democrat over and over again instead of pursuing other means of achieving change.

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      Naomi Klein is good, no idea why youre lumping Gladwell, another Epstein intellectual, in with her. She’s not a revolutionary, but she has good insights.

      I might have at one time lumped Chomsky and Klein together but these days he’s more of a Gladwell

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    There’s a reason chomsky has been allowed to be the “imminent thought leader of the left” for the past 60 years. He has not advocated for anything beyond voting democrat.

    Just because he wrote one truth about the media ecosystem doesnt somehow absolve him from that same truth about the media ecosystem.

    He would not consistently be featured in the new york times et al if he was actually a threat to their existence.