• Makeitstop@lemmy.world
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    Whether or not a behavior is found among other animals is an absolutely terrible measure of how acceptable it should be among humans. Nature is not moral, and a lot of the time it’s fucking horrific.

    By this logic, Cannibalism, including the killing and eating of your own children, is natural and therefore ok. But no other animal has a concept of due process and legal rights, so those would be unnatural, and therefore bad.

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      I concur, sex in nature is sometimes a dominance, boredom, or mostly straight up rape. There are situations where a chimp used a frogs mouth to masturbate with and accounts of dolphins humping fish and people. These two are the height of intelligence in the animal kingdom and they are still messed up.

      The first statement of the meme is dumb. The response equates homosexuality to just fucking. Which in reality is much more complex in humans and includes love and relationships. For animals it’s mostly simple primal urges to hump something for self gratification.

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        There have absolutely been dolphins with problematic human fetishes though. Documented. Under extremely fucked up lab conditions. Just because its cross species doesn’t mean its masturbation instead of sex.

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      Yes, and cancer is natural. I agree its not how we should be justifying our right to exist. We should be putting Chris to fascist heads on spikes, but I do not get laid when I suggest that.

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      No, but it should certainly cause any self-aware “it’s not natural” Bible thumping homophobes to shut the fuck up.

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      By this logic, Cannibalism, including the killing and eating of your own children, is natural and therefore ok.

      Libertarians cheering unironically

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      They’re fundamentally cowards, they’re offended we exist, but cannot articulate a critique, because we all know what they want to say.

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        OR, the claim is absurd on its face. Tell me with a straight face that we have observed homosexual behavior in every sexually reproducing animal. That’s the claim, “no species has been found”, and he’s obviously including “lower” orders of life since he brought up insects and echinoids.

        There are animals for who we have no clue as to their mating habits and have never observed them. There are even more where we’ve barely observed sexual behavior at all.

        Now if they said something like, “in almost every mammal and avian species”, that would be a lot more believable. I still wouldn’t believe that we’ve observed homosexual behavior in all 6,800 mammal species, but it’s a fair assumption it exists.

        It’s also silly to act like this is a slam dunk on homophobes. They won’t ever hear this, and if they do, they’ll dismiss it as “the woke agenda”, and containing an obvious lie helps that dismissal. These posts exist for you and I to pat ourselves on the back over how much smarter we are.

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        Or someone does make a legit critique and you just go off the wall assuming they are cowards and are making a direct insult to you.

        Maybe if you take everything as an insult when it’s not, you’re creating issues. It’s hard to engage and have a discussion when people like you exist and derail stuff because you think they’re insulting you, when they aren’t.

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      Well, I think they reproduce asexually, so do not fuck and if they did there wouldn’t he genders involved.

      Or are sea urchins the one that basically spray genetic material out like wind pollinated plants? I guess in that case it would always be gay and always be bukake.