Soldered in, or upgradeable at least? The former would be a huge reason to never buy the newest gen of laptops.
EDIT: Missed in article, yeah this would suck if they stick to soldered RAM for ultra-thins.
Another problem manufacturers face is with notebooks that ship with soldered DRAM. In particular, ultrathin designs would need to be revamped to modify their configurations.
Those soldered low RAM ones are going to be in the dump a lot sooner.
Literally manufactured for the garbage dump.
They do not care about the planned obsolescence of it all.
Easier to justify making trash.
They absolutely do care. It’s a bonus for them.
Excellent. Hopefully some of them will have hardware that supports #openBSD that I can pick up for pennies on the dollar. I believe the #thinkpad x1 carbon is already on soldered RAM. I can see many in the #Linux crowd stand to profit handsomely from this, given their much more broad hardware support 😜
Cheap homelab.
lmao of course it’s gonna be soldered in to push you to higher tiers
Probably single channel too because of course
This is not limiting mid-range laptops. This is making more low-range laptops. Just because you’re making more lower tiered laptops doesn’t mean the midrange adjusts as mid-range is based on specs/performance. This is basic taxonomy.
The average laptop produced by these 2 manufacturers will see a decrease in specs.
For the price of 16GB?
More like for the price of 64GB.
For the price of 32GB, if you’re lucky. Hopefully it’s 8gb in a single stick so upgrading is cheaper, even if that means single channel ram speeds out of the box
Oh you sweet summer child. It will almost surely be soldered to the board so that you’ll have to pay extra upfront or buy a new laptop if you want more RAM.
Back to windows xp for me!
Weird way to spell Linux Mint
Hasn’t Dell had a bit of a rough patch with they’re laptops lately?
It would seem like absorbing this RAM shit storm would help out their image right now.
dell’s been going down the crapper for at least a decade… ever since dell and the vultures took it private ~ 2013.
and cant we just put fucking ddr4 or ddr3 on it? why does it got to be bleeding edge all the time?
This wouldn’t be much of an issue if most of the laptops nowadays didn’t come with soldered in ram and no options of expanding.
Exactly. Give me two slots and I don’t care if the base model comes with 64kb, that problem will be fixed before I even switch the thing on for the first time.
I boycott those.
So it remains shit quality even if RAM gets more affordable at some reasonable point in the future.
Apparently there are m.2 NVMe drives with DRAM caches.
I don’t know if anyone makes a pure DRAM NVMe drive — it’d forget its contents every boot — but if so, on Linux, you could make the block device a swap partition.
lol lets fuck all other computational sciences so that people can generate cats drinking whiskey in robes de chambre.
Welp, glad the old laptop physically broke last night and I bought a new one with 16gb on Xmas sale today.
Also glad I built a new PC last year. Not gonna be upgrading anything for the foreseeable future the way things are looking.
better start removing AI from Windows then… holy fucj my 16gb is barely holding up with windows11 that in forced to use on my work PC. slow as BALLS, it’s just raping the entire system performance constantly
I have win11 on a work surface laptop pro with 16gb and I’m consistently at 15+GB used. This is corporate bloat. How do I know? I have a personal surface pro 6 with win11 and 16gb and it runs like a breeze.
Corporate bloat is such bullshit.
If there’s anything corporate IT is good at it’s bullshit and security theater. Can they stop corporate espionage? Of course not. Can they make it really annoying for employees to access data they need for their job: ✅. But at least they’re “compliant” with some rules that aren’t even particularly well-documented.
Security is all theatre. When NIST says make secure passwords and never change them but your fortune 500 infosec policy tells you to rotate your password every 30 days?
LOL
Does NIST actually said that? Secure pwd+no change it?
Yes. Pwd change should only be on evidence of compromise assuming you have made a secure password.
And those companies’ policies cascade out because of the incestuous nature of company boards. Some dumbass who is C__ at one company and member of the board at another says you gotta do the same to be compliant and since it’s all theater they comply rather than push back. Corporations are dumb.
tbf a lot of that crap is mandated by insurance compliance requirements
Being fair isn’t in my quarterly OKRs
no, but it isn’t necessarily the fault of whom you might think it is that there needs to be 2 or 3 other ram hogs installed
Company computers often come with pre-installed spyware which is notoriously RAM hungry. My company laptop immediately after boot uses nearly a full 16gb before you open any programs. Luckily our IT department realizes this and only allows us to purchase machines with 32GB and up. They’re probably not happy with the current prices, but being a F500 company they can afford it…
I wonder what’s going to happen to the electron frontends if machines are bottlenecked by ram so bad. Wasn’t facebook just planning to switch whatsapp’s frontend to webview as well? And win11’s desktop is electron too. Everyone was acting like ram is unlimited.
Don’t worry, you’ll just need to subscribe to My Windows Copilot Cloud+ to get access to a virtual PC with plenty of RAM from anywhere! It’ll be powerful enough you’ll barely notice us logging all your actions and blocking anything we don’t like.
…do we really need to use the word “raping” to talk about PC performance or can we agree that there are a hundred other words that fit better in that spot?
EDIT: Wooo free downvotes. Y’all are a bunch of snowflakes. I tried to make a point on behalf of others, since there are people who have traumatic lived experience with the concept of “rape” and would probably prefer not to be reminded of it. Nobody serious about computing is going to go out and say “this process is raping the performance” because it’s just not a good idea. I bet you (if in tech field) wouldn’t say it in front of your boss. But sure, call me sensitive and pull out a semantic argument.
I can smell you through your screen. Go take a shower and try being human.
you’re limiting your interpretation of rape to a single definition. there are multiple, and this certainly fits as one
I know it’s hard, but you’ll get through this. One day at a time, step by step, things will get easier. Some days it might not feel like you’re making any progress; Some days you’ll feel like you’re moving backwards. But time heals all wounds. You’ve got this, eventually you won’t even remember their comment existed. Stay. Strong. Keep fighting.
Hah. I never even said the comment hurt me.
I’m just speaking on behalf of those who have been hurt. If you can’t recognize why someone might do that, you’re either a rape apologist or you’re an incel troll. Probably both.
sometimes facing fears is a better way to overcome problems. hiding or making everyone avoid things that bother you or were a traumatic experience doesn’t help anyone.
I used this word because it’s definition applys to the scenario. It’s the act of pilaging and plundering of my system resources by microsoft and other monitoring tools with no recourse but to abandon them. rape is a perfectly fine word to use. if it was strictly limited to sexual acts, I wouldn’t have used it.
edit: I use this word at work too and have no issues with it both verbally and written. moreso verbally because people can’t apply multi definitions of words and always assume 1 main definition
So RAM costs them more now, and they need to pass those costs onto customers. However, it seems like they’re also trying to redefine what “mid-range” means to us all, as if we aren’t fully aware of what computers are capable of and what amount of memory is good vs not. Making the various ranges cost more is intuitive. Enshitifying the ranges to sell them at the same price is just antithetical to the whole concept of the ranges…
It’s like if batteries got stupid expensive and they tried to tell us 200km of range is what you get in a touring EV these days. But the distances between all the places haven’t changed…
Can see that happening, in this fake economy.
Isn’t the issue here the newest generation? I keep reading they’re way less tech savvy than the rest of us. Blended in with the propensity for young people to have an iPhone or Android and no PC, well, this junk will likely slide right by.
So our generation will be the first to have to teach both our boomer parents AND our millennial offspring what “RAM” is?!
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
GenX is mostly forgotten until tech support is needed, either direction, yes.
Millennials are fine, lol, and overlap with genx, this relates to the teens and early 20s age group.
We had two generations of competent people. It’s a idiot sandwich but the bread is the stupid part!
I… ok.
Am I an idiot, or… at least when it comes to system RAM…
Do you really need DDR5 RAM, instead of DDR4?
Like, say I have 32 GB or DDR4 vs 32GB of DDR5.
Beyond I guess crushing some benchmark software harder… what are the actual practical benefits of this?
For an average person?
What can I do with 32 gigs of DDR5 that I can’t do with 32 gigs of DDR4? Or 16? Or 24?
Typically the CPU and motherboard are both tied to a specific generation of RAM, which is keyed and traced differently on the motherboard for DDR 4 vs 5.
For example the current AMD socket AM5 requires DDR 5. You’d have to go back to AM4 Ryzen 5000 series for DDR 4 support.
I mean… I know that…
But my question still stands.
Ceteris paribus, keep as much else the same, same GPU, similar CPU by benchmark scores… swap the mobo and the sys ram…
What do you actually gain by going from DDR4 to DDR5, in total, end-state capabilities?
DDR5 is faster.
What kinda stuff actually needs that being faster, actually benefits from it?
It’s just the fact that, at some point, if you want a faster computer, you’re bound to have DDR5.
AMD 5000 is fast, but how does it compare to last gen? Is there a 5000 CPU that can get the same score as a high end 9000 CPU?
What if you have a homelab server to upgrade but find out you need more PCIe lanes?
Other than that, yeah, you don’t need DDR5, but DDR4 is slowly going out of production and is also rising in price… so you’re screwed either way.
There are some in-between boards as well. I’ve an Intel 12th gen board that comes in DDR4 and DDR5 varieties. Either one will be an upgrade from an 11th gen, but it will be a bit faster with the DDR5 board.
Alright, alright, that just took two people explaining it for it to sink in for me.
Thanks, I got too hung up on the specifics and missed the bigger picture.
IGPs are very dependant on memory speed. Many uses gains from faster memory speed (but I can’t give you one out of memory), but most games gains more from memory latency than raw speed (with some exception, like Stellaris).
Usually, if your app is CPU heavy, you’ll gain from RAM speed.
Dell and Lenovo price gouge consumers
FTFY
It’s neat that AI is already ruining the world in really tangible ways.
It’s not even going to run chrome my guys
