Donald Trump's name appears on a newly released Epstein file in which a purported victim makes allegations about a newborn baby being murdered and dumped in Lake Michigan.The Justice Department released this file ahead of Christmas Eve in which an unnamed individual, on Aug. 3, 2020, is looking for ...
Is it just an unfounded report by a single person with no evidence? I bet the fbi got a bunch of crazy shit reported.
If there’s any evidence of this being true let’s see it.
The files also contain two other reports about Trump abusing girls, made literally one week before the 2020 election. No corroborating evidence.
Yeah, let’s ask the person to testify in court. We’ll charge Trump with conspiracy to commit murder and then we’ll have them testify and a jury can decide if he’s guilty. Just like everyone else in this country should have to face.
It’s hearsay at best as-is. Compile some evidence first otherwise it would be dismissed.
Compile in some kind of FBI file?
Gosh, we should really get on that.
It’s not just hearsay when its in the context of everything we know about Epstein, Trump, and how they’ve been named together in previous, similar case(s).
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Nah man, just not an idiot. Maybe in a vacuum this would be hearsay, but it’s not in a vacuum is it
That’s not how it would work even for an ordinary person. This is an accusation about something rather far-fetched happening 35 years before the accusation was made, with no evidence for it except the accusation itself. It wouldn’t lead to criminal charges.
you don’t know when they first contacted the police or FBI. also you have no idea what evidence was collected. your acting like you know something. you don’t. yet all we can see is that is was an accusation, but claiming you know when the accusation was made or what investigations have been done is pure bullshit, so kindly shove that back up your ass where you got it from.
THAT piece of paper is evidence.
It’s not evidence of a crime. It’s a report. Someone said it, it got written down.
I’m not saying it is or it is not true.
It’s likely one of many reasons Trump is so anti-FBI in his first term, train his followers to think they can’t be trusted.
That’s not what the Epstein files are. They’re literally any paperwork related to him, even the tips from kooks. Some reaches the level of evidence, most is cruft.
This “paperwork” suggests that TRUMP murdered a newborn and dumped it into a lake after having SEX with a CHILD.
Are YOU suggesting that we treat it as gossip or should we look a bit closer???
I’m saying an accusation can be made by anyone, and does not automatically constitute fact. Its presence in the file doesn’t mean the claim was substantiated.
This accusation was not made by “anyone”. It was made by the woman who watched him murder her newborn.
Why would she say that? Money? Fame? Power? She currently HAS none of that.
The report was made a couple months before the 2020 election. Many others also made wild reports. I saw two others in the Epstein files made literally 6 days for the election.
There are plenty of reasons to make up a story.
But sure, they should go and investigate it. Starting with the woman and her uncle. Oh wait, I bet the uncle is dead. And I bet she took great effort to gather evidence… right…?
Like being targeted for harassment and possibly get murdered? This is not a typical rape accusation, it is made against someone who has been carrying out extra-judicial murders abroad.
This is classic rape apologetics. It is not the victim’s job to collect evidence while they are distressed, that’s the job of the investigators.
Trump has not been committing murders abroad. That’s not how the law works. He’s president and commander in chief, he can order people killed legally.
And he wasn’t president when the report was made.
She had like 36 years to do… SOMETHING. Statements from people who she confided in, maybe someone who knew she was 8 months pregnant and then suddenly not, without a baby. Something to place Trump there at that time? But no, just a very brief “oh ya, and he witnessed my uncle killing my baby.”
I was almost strangled to death when resisting someone who was trying to rape me. I told my friends right after, and reported to police within hours. I kept the clothes with DNA evidence, had the police take photos of all the physical trauma. 10 years later I still remember every minute of the 3 hour ordeal. I couldn’t imagine watching my baby getting murdered by people raping me and just doing nothing. I have a hard time sympathizing. She’s either lying or doesn’t care much about what happened to her.
To shift blame? For attention? Mental illness? We don’t know enough of the context. Was it investigated? What was the outcome? Was it deemed credible?
Credible enough to remain in the files.
Again, the files are a dump of everything they have related to Epstein. There is no credibility threshold.
They don’t delete reports from record when they’re deemed not credible. Not even when they’re proven false.
There’s another report in the files where a woman did report her rape to the police and she was later found dead with her “head blown off”. Under a functional justice system that would be thoroughly investigated, under our system it was quickly ruled a suicide because she took “bad cocaine”.
These papers are being released because our justice system did not protect these victims. It is up to the public to ask questions and we need not presume innocence of the powerful as they failed to protect the vulnerable.