Also, it ignores the clear intended meaning of the work to attack the artist for a completely different interpretation.
To be clear, I am fully in camp Death of the Author, but if that is how you analyze art, you do not also get to attribute your interpretation back to the original artist.
This is particularly annoying in this instance, because “your argument just proves my point” is a thought terminating cliche that is highly utilized in this particular discourse, from the side that the commentator appears to be from.
I laughed aloud at this one - you’re very correct. My grammar isn’t perfect, but I try… I’ve had people point out that I use commas in chats, as if that’s a crazy thing to do.
Twitter was invented years ago, and I saw stupidity manifest. The concept was to force people into dumbing down their statements, and it was character limited to make things as worse as they could get.
Twitter won, though. And then, years later, Musk took it over. So now we have this… Even the people we agree with seem to have been impacted. And oh man, AI is going to strip anything left fully away for those that use it for their writing.
There is no logical fallacy. They are responding to a self-identified incel (the mgtow hashtag in the picture). They know what they are about, and it is a waste of time pretending they are not.
I never saw a bear do a mass shooting, or sentence someone to life in prison, or waterboard someone, or build an oil pipeline, or pass a tax cut for the rich. Men are way more powerful than bears, so they have to be better. Strength is for protecting the weak.
You’re telling that he don’t have a grin on his face? You go to so much effort to faint the ignorance about the obvious “you get what youn deserved” tone of the work.
You’re better than this. Or at the very least you should strive to be.
The question was “would you rather be alone in the woods with a man or a bear”, right? Is this not the logical conclusion of the bear option? Like, I very much agree this is bad hearted revenge fantasy but this is the logical conclusion of choosing the bear. They’re not cuddly.
Explain. If you were teleported directly in front of a bear and directly in front of a stranger, how you would fare better with the bear. In detail, please.
No, that wasn’t the question. Are you moving the goal post to be offended?
If there’s a bear 800m away from me, he’s not likely to move in my direction. If he moves in my direction, then of course I’ll turn around and run and that’ll be it.
If there’s a man 800m away from a woman in the woods, she doesn’t know what he’s going to do. If he starts going in her direction, she still doesn’t know what he’s going to do, so maybe she waits until he’s much closer. And when he’s much closer, she still doesn’t know what he’ll do, right until it’s too late. Maybe he’ll just say hi your shoelace is undone, or maybe he’ll stab you.
That’s the point. You don’t know how dangerous the man might be and you don’t know how worse your odds get the longer you fail to react. You know what to do with a bear and you can react immediately to be safe sooner.
…What? If that wasn’t the question then what WAS the question?
What, the question is if you’re in like a mile radius of it? Lmao obviously the bear then. That’s even more of a dumb question. Wait all this time it was literally just “if you’re in the general large vicinity of” and not right next to? Jesus. What’s the point of that? I’d rather be lost randomly in a forest with a bear than even a serial killer, that’s an easy choice.
Jesus Christ have you people ever been outside? You act like all men are just raping beasts being kept back by a thin thread. Have you ever considered that one of those things a man could do would BE NICE? Like a HUMAN? Probably not since you clearly don’t even consider them human. Good God I am so disappointed in humanity.
No, I do not act like like all men are raping beasts. Stop putting words in my mouth.
Especially since I am myself a man. So I know for certain we aren’t all raping beasts.
But please, show me one bear that has raped a human woman. We get stories like that all the time from men. And we should be angry towards them for making men look bad, rather than towards the women who fear us.
I’m clearly done with this but “a consequence man is free from anything”? Really? You sound like those fucking religious wackadoos who think the only thing holding them back from horrific crimes is God. Maybe a consequence free man just wants a fucking hug, asshole.
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Also, it ignores the clear intended meaning of the work to attack the artist for a completely different interpretation.
To be clear, I am fully in camp Death of the Author, but if that is how you analyze art, you do not also get to attribute your interpretation back to the original artist.
This is particularly annoying in this instance, because “your argument just proves my point” is a thought terminating cliche that is highly utilized in this particular discourse, from the side that the commentator appears to be from.
What’s the clear intended meaning of the work?
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What the actual fuck.
You took their reply and twisted its meaning completely then you put it in quotes as if somebody had actually said that.
And then you complain about fallacies and brain-dead discourse? Oh the sweet, sweet irony…
Like how the reply twisted the original meaning of ‘this is what’s wrong with choosing the bear’ into ‘you deserve to be mauled’
I laughed aloud at this one - you’re very correct. My grammar isn’t perfect, but I try… I’ve had people point out that I use commas in chats, as if that’s a crazy thing to do.
Twitter was invented years ago, and I saw stupidity manifest. The concept was to force people into dumbing down their statements, and it was character limited to make things as worse as they could get.
Twitter won, though. And then, years later, Musk took it over. So now we have this… Even the people we agree with seem to have been impacted. And oh man, AI is going to strip anything left fully away for those that use it for their writing.
There is no logical fallacy. They are responding to a self-identified incel (the mgtow hashtag in the picture). They know what they are about, and it is a waste of time pretending they are not.
A bear wouldn’t have made such a post in the first place. So already men is worse.
Bear - kills someone. Man - posts something. Man is worse. Is that what you’re saying?
I never saw a bear do a mass shooting, or sentence someone to life in prison, or waterboard someone, or build an oil pipeline, or pass a tax cut for the rich. Men are way more powerful than bears, so they have to be better. Strength is for protecting the weak.
The vast majority of bears have never hurt anyone.
So… Have the vast majority of men.
Men kill thousands of people every day. Bears don’t.
I’d be concerned if they did, considering there’s about a billion times less interaction between people and bears.
Edit: A billion times less is literally still understating the difference…
Lemmy really is just like reddit huh
Which bear has killed someone? Nowhere in the debate is an actual bear present.
And even if there was a bear, are you going to ignore all the killing men has done in the same time frame?
no. clearly no. bears are opportunist cowards. you can deal with them quite easily. yes, they’re dangerous, but they’re not ever actively problems.
i’m curious why you’re judging the bear by the worst possible outcome rather than the most likely outcome and the man by this specific outcome.
You’re telling that he don’t have a grin on his face? You go to so much effort to faint the ignorance about the obvious “you get what youn deserved” tone of the work.
You’re better than this. Or at the very least you should strive to be.
You’re reinterpreting the comment and doing so in a way that misses the crux of their argument.
They are commenting on the cartoon being a vengeance fantasy against women. Which it is.
So women’s choices are now men having revenge fantasy ?? So you’re a misandrist.
No, the women’s choice didn’t include men making revenge fantasy posts. Don’t move the goal posts.
The question was “would you rather be alone in the woods with a man or a bear”, right? Is this not the logical conclusion of the bear option? Like, I very much agree this is bad hearted revenge fantasy but this is the logical conclusion of choosing the bear. They’re not cuddly.
No, it is absolutely not.
Explain. If you were teleported directly in front of a bear and directly in front of a stranger, how you would fare better with the bear. In detail, please.
No, that wasn’t the question. Are you moving the goal post to be offended?
If there’s a bear 800m away from me, he’s not likely to move in my direction. If he moves in my direction, then of course I’ll turn around and run and that’ll be it.
If there’s a man 800m away from a woman in the woods, she doesn’t know what he’s going to do. If he starts going in her direction, she still doesn’t know what he’s going to do, so maybe she waits until he’s much closer. And when he’s much closer, she still doesn’t know what he’ll do, right until it’s too late. Maybe he’ll just say hi your shoelace is undone, or maybe he’ll stab you.
That’s the point. You don’t know how dangerous the man might be and you don’t know how worse your odds get the longer you fail to react. You know what to do with a bear and you can react immediately to be safe sooner.
…What? If that wasn’t the question then what WAS the question?
What, the question is if you’re in like a mile radius of it? Lmao obviously the bear then. That’s even more of a dumb question. Wait all this time it was literally just “if you’re in the general large vicinity of” and not right next to? Jesus. What’s the point of that? I’d rather be lost randomly in a forest with a bear than even a serial killer, that’s an easy choice.
No, the question was: would you rather be alone in the woods next to a random man or a random bear.
This implies anonymity and no consequences of actions. So the way people act online.
A consequence free man is capable of anything. A bear would only maul you.
Jesus Christ have you people ever been outside? You act like all men are just raping beasts being kept back by a thin thread. Have you ever considered that one of those things a man could do would BE NICE? Like a HUMAN? Probably not since you clearly don’t even consider them human. Good God I am so disappointed in humanity.
No, I do not act like like all men are raping beasts. Stop putting words in my mouth.
Especially since I am myself a man. So I know for certain we aren’t all raping beasts.
But please, show me one bear that has raped a human woman. We get stories like that all the time from men. And we should be angry towards them for making men look bad, rather than towards the women who fear us.
I mean it wasn’t exactly rape but
I’m clearly done with this but “a consequence man is free from anything”? Really? You sound like those fucking religious wackadoos who think the only thing holding them back from horrific crimes is God. Maybe a consequence free man just wants a fucking hug, asshole.
Here’s a short video of women being outside in public spaces: https://www.tiktok.com/@specere/video/7472932570162924831
Imagine encountering that on a daily basis and then someone asks you how you’d feel encountering a random man in the woods?
This is the perfect case for a “No you”. As in YOU are the one moving goalposts by saying “How dare men talk back”.
Why you would put in quotes your own interpretation of what they said?
I think you are guiltier of this internet braindead than Carter, you are simplifying and twisting their message, when the concept is quite clear.
You are talking about fallacies while committing fallacies, just to obscure the real situation here.
The original cartoon is misogynistic and the reply is pointing that out. It is as simple as that.