I think when it comes to blocking people, I can see some improvement there. I’m all about the idea of not adding fuel to the fire in the form of pointless online arguments and conflicts.
I see so many online platforms just fucking fail at the ways they try approaching that issue. Most places would let you block a user but they can still see everything that the blocked user has said. Like that opens the doors to exploiting and archiving. It is one thing if you’re logged out and can see things site-wide than it is still being logged in and seeing what was said.
When I block someone, I want to be a ghost to them. I want them to not see anything I’ve said and I wouldn’t want to see anything they’ve said either. I don’t want to block them and find out they engage me on an alt just with things to continue the bullshit with.
I think the Fediverse has corrected that aspect that, when you log off, you can’t see shit. So it prevents that. Though that’s practiced from the instance I’m on for all I know.
However, when logged in and still blocking people, they can still see what was said by those who blocked them.
Furthermore and this is a bit of a controversial part, is that, I think moderation logs to be open is a bad idea. Again, it is to me, just one more thing to add to the fuel of a fire that isn’t being let to wind down. Because people often jab and joust at others with shit like “LOOK WHUT U DID IN THUH MODERATION LOG!” and that just does nothing but escalate.
I think with some of these kinds of corrections, would promote the idea of a healthier ecosystem for the community.
Onboarding is a nightmare. Any other changes we make are pointless until we address onboarding.
I don’t recommend it to non-techie friends and family for this reason.
Neither do I.
The moment I say ‘Lemmy’ or ‘Fediverse’, it is over their heads. That’s how much work the fediverse itself has go to, to make it more accessible.
Yes. Piefed is just as bad. I can see the confusion on their faces as soon as I say it and I don’t blame them.
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I want to have upvotes/downvotes in the modlogs so we can see which moderation actions are popular with the community or not.
The Fediverse could improve how things are shared. If I wanted to share your post with a friend, I’ll give them this link: https://piefed.ca/c/asklemmy/p/424338/what-do-you-feel-the-fediverse-could-improve-on.
If they’re also on the same instance as me (Piefed.ca), then all’s good. But God forbid they’re on another instance and they want to comment or vote on your post. They would have to go back to their own instance, find this community, and then search for this specific post.
And I know some of you guys are itching to tell me about using a browser extension/script or another front-end to fix this, but this should be officially integrated with every front-end. I don’t understand why there still hasn’t been any integration with something like Threadiverse.
How can a social media grow if you can’t even share posts properly?
I think having open modlogs is great for transparency.
People will routinely play innocent after saying gross shit, getting rid of the record will only make it harder to call out bad actors.
I prefer the way blocks work, if someone is talking shit they cant just block the people calling them out.
The influx of new users in the last 4 months has shown me there needs to be some disincentive for posting the same regurgitated sentiment-based shit that you see every time you log in. Regurgitated sentiments and memes represent 95% of the content… yes AI bad… Israel bad… Cheese powder face man bad… I feel depressed… I can’t afford a house… robots took my job. How many times can we as a community re-state what we already know to be true.
This is Reddit 2.0 let’s not kid ourselves.
This is Reddit 2.0 let’s not kid ourselves.
What exactly were you expecting? I think the only one kidding themselves is you
Are we in the same reality? No, because the question is what do we need to do to make the Fediverse better.
You being here isn’t one of those things apparently.
It wouldn’t be reddit 2.0 without complaints like this about popular social concerns being popular on social media.
I think there needs to be a higher emphasis on real life community building instead of recreating the services that destroyed communities.
We don’t need another twitter clone. We need a marketplace and volunteer organizing software.
I can easily imagine tiny towns, neighborhoods (and even apartments) using a Mastodon server to create a community based social media. Now, whether people would WANT to use that, and if it would just turn into NextDoor, are separate issues.
I think those are great ideas. Event planning is a general-purpose app that can be leveraged for mobilizing political groups. I don’t think there’s really anything like Facebook Groups, unless Friendica has some of that.
- Starter Packs in the MicroBlogVerse (Which is coming to Mastodon!)
- Multis in the ThreadiVerse (Which is also coming to Lemmy!)
Why is it in my many decades of online discussion I have never blocked anyone, yet I see people who somehow think they need it?
Why?
You cant just move on or ignore them? I find it so weird.
I agree. A lot of people are proud of their 100-user-long blocklist. Seems like a weird thing to boast about, to me.
When I block someone, I want to be a ghost to them. I want them to not see anything I’ve said and I wouldn’t want to see anything they’ve said either. I don’t want to block them and find out they engage me on an alt just with things to continue the bullshit with.
They can already do this if you block them even if they can’t see what you say. Especially on the Fediverse where people can just create alternative accounts on different instance.
I think the Fediverse has corrected that aspect that, when you log off, you can’t see shit. So it prevents that. Though that’s practiced from the instance I’m on for all I know.
Yes, this is purely your instance. You can see content logged out on most instances.
Furthermore and this is a bit of a controversial part, is that, I think moderation logs to be open is a bad idea. Again, it is to me, just one more thing to add to the fuel of a fire that isn’t being let to wind down. Because people often jab and joust at others with shit like “LOOK WHUT U DID IN THUH MODERATION LOG!” and that just does nothing but escalate.
This is you very much. Open moderator logs massively increase community moderator transparency in the long-run.
Discoverability; both with posts and following.
Also, nuclear blocking and feeds/lists are two things that Bluesky gets right.
I actually like that blocking only stops you seeing their stuff. You shouldn’t be able to stop someone else’s account being unable to see your comments, that shouldn’t be within your power. But if you can’t see what they said, that should be enough for you, since they won’t bother you any more. I’d even have it that blocking is entirely client side.
Another thing I would like though is the ability to group community and posts together so posts and comments can be linked together and smaller instances can get use without shovelling everyone to a single point of failure larger instance.
So what you’re saying is that you like the idea of online arguments? No, I can’t follow everything you’ve said in the first bit. If you want to argue with someone online, go do it in DMs or wherever else. Not at the expense of the community, nobody here usually comes to read sissy slapfights that usually escalate into insults and escalates into spite-reporting which drives mods/admins angry.
The Fediverse should be learning as to what not to be. This kind of behavior was very frequent on Reddit and still continues today. There should be an end to that kind of thing.
“So what you’re saying…” is such a tired meme, and the irony just piles on when you follow it up by strawmanning their argument.
Wanting to block someone else from seeing what you’re writing on a public forum is straight-up petty. Blocking as it works right now already does exactly what it’s supposed to: it stops the other user from engaging with you further. They can still interact with your posts, but you won’t know about it.
If blocking worked the way you described, it wouldn’t just affect you and the other person - it’d screw over everyone else on the platform too. For example, someone spewing utter bullshit could block everyone fact-checking them, and suddenly those corrections vanish for the whole audience.
Plus, it’d be ridiculously easy to circumvent. Making a new account takes a few minutes, or just log out and boom - you’re unblocked again.
Oh god, the word salad. Not even going to try with you.
We could be nicer.
I hope you all have a good week.
Agreed. We’re still one of the most polite online spaces I’m aware of, but it’s harsher than it was right during the third party app exodus.
I’m a cis, white, male, everyone is nice to me
I really don’t get why there are so many mean people here. I don’t mean everyone has to go around being extra polite all the time - hell, even I don’t do that. It’s the intentional stuff, trying to hurt someone’s feelings, that baffles me. There’s way too much of it, and it just boggles my mind.
I don’t care how big an asshole the other person was being - responding that way just makes two assholes. Block them and move on. Don’t add to the toxicity that ruins social media in the first place, or you’re part of the problem.
I believe there is some huge level of insecurity among people that make them act that way. It has to be. It’s their poor way of coping in a world they probably didn’t have any plans in how to navigate in, so why not just be a bastard online? It gives them a sense of superiority and power I guess, as false as it is.
If you’re having to go around and mindlessly pick arguments with people, be an asshole and try to tell them how you’re better than them? You’re most likely not better than them. You’ve only sunk down several levels yourself.
I want lemmy to look more exactly like old reddit. Also get rid of the preview button and replace it with “post” or something. It’s completely pointless.
Lemmy has many different user interfaces. You will want an instance that runs the Mlmym UI, like this one:
Less of a problem on lemmy but mastodon has a lot of accounts posting anime pictures that are not necessarily illegal but are weird - like children dressed as animals or with animal features.
Not sure if there’s anything you can do about people just being weird but often other users will boost a different post by the account, which will be a meme or something, so the accounts end up on your timeline. If you click through to see more similar memes you get greeted with a profile where they are clearly not a teen but are pretending to be one or similar…
idk I suppose my complaint is that the culture is overly tolerant of creepy behaviour.
