Nina spitting truths as always. She’s on fire recently, so follow her if you’re not doing so already.
To be clear; everyone working in my government, particularly after today, is a Nazi, or someone who works for Nazis. Do you know what we call people who worked for the Nazis, in the Nazi government? Yes, that is correct, Nazis.
So Machado is certainly not gonna feel lonely on the list of people on my TV who are definitely Nazis.
Oh, was that too harsh? Are you feeling bad for the good career civil servants, working for the literal fucking Nazis, who I have just impuned? Cool, let’s refer back to that part where I said I was surrounded by people who openly recognize that this is fascism, and ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY refuse to accept what that actually means.
We call people, who worked for the Nazi Party, in the Nazi government, Nazis. Nobody says “the Nazi government and the career civil servants who hated them but stayed.”
“They’ll just find someone else.”
Then let them. “I took the job at the concentration camp because I was sure Hitler would find someone else” was not a good defense in court last time, and it won’t be this time either.
A good friend of mine is quitting their (once) dream fed job, counting down the remainder until their last day. They work for the government to enforce engineering safety standards, but can no longer stomach the gutting of safety regulations that their department manages. Upon raising ethical concerns, they got dragged into a room with lawyers who relayed a parable about ethics. The lesson was: Be “a good soldier” and ignore safety regulations if you’re told to do so.
I go to work everyday and feel like a mail clerk in the Death Star
- My friend to me
Damn, mail clerk at the Death Star sounds like an awesome job, and low-pressure compared to other jobs at the Death Star. Low chance of being strangled by Vader, and you get to watch a planet blow up if you’re into that, which, if you worked at the Death Star, you probably would be.
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Is your point that concentration camp guards were not punished as hard as they should have?
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My point is that almost no one gets punished[…]
And…? Should we shut up about it and just accept our fate?
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Oh, am I not doing enough to earn a favorable judgement by your honor?
In any case, you don’t seem to actually be saying anything. You’re just trying to be contentious.
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I forgive you engaging in intellectual masturbation in public.
What if i stayed, acting like i worked but not really doing anything? Blocking a Nazis spot, taking my salary out of their budget. Maybe even sabotaging. Lets all do that, collectively. Covering eachother by telling how good a job we are doing and so on…
There’s a name for that tactic. It’s called a slowdown (strike) ;)
The Simple Sabotage Field Manual actually has a lot of recommendations for this. Here’s a part of it, just to give you an idea (in a spoiler block because it’s loooooong)
Excerpt
(1) Make mistakes in quantities of material when you are copying orders. Confuse similar names. Use wrong addresses.
(2) Prolong correspondence with government bureaus.
(3) Misfile essential documents.
(4) In making carbon copies, make one too few, so that an extra copying job will have to be done.
(5) Tell important callers the boss is busy or talking on another telephone.
(6) Hold up mail until the next collection.
(7) Spread disturbing rumors that sound like inside dope.
(d) Employees
(1) Work slowly. Think out ways to increase the number of movements necessary on your job: use a light hammer instead of a heavy one, try to make a small wrench do when a big one is necessary, use little force where considerable force is needed, and so on.
(2) Contrive as many interruptions to your work as you can: when changing the material on which you are working, as you would on a lathe or punch, take needless time to do it. If you are cutting, shaping or doing other measured work, measure dimensions twice as often as you need to. When you go to the lavatory, spend a longer time there than is necessary. Forget tools so that you will have to go back after them.
(3) Even if you understand the language, pretend not to understand instructions in a foreign tongue.
(4) Pretend that instructions are hard to understand, and ask to have them repeated more than once. Or pretend that you are particularly anxious to do your work, and pester the foreman with unnecessary questions.
(5) Do your work poorly and blame it on bad tools, machinery, or equipment. Complain that these things are preventing you from doing your job right.
(6) Never pass on your skill and experience to a new or less skillful worker. “(7) Snarl up administration in every possible way. Fill out forms illegibly so that they will have to be done over; make mistakes or omit requested information in forms.
(8) If possible, join or help organize a group for presenting employee problems to the management. See that the procedures adopted are as inconvenient as possible for the management, involving the presence of a large number of employees at each presentation, entailing more than one meeting for each grievance, bringing up problems which are largely imaginary, and so on.
(9) Misroute materials.
(10) Mix good parts with unusable scrap and rejected parts.
huh! Looks like i am very well qualified :D Like i never did anything else.
You’re going to get executed after the trials anyways. Didn’t you read OP?
which trials? Most Nazis did not get executed after WW2. Nor even punished.
Your appearance of compliance leads others to actual compliance.
Not likely. There’s a reason why the Simple Sabotage Field Manual recommends exactly what klay1 was talking about (see my other comment in this thread)
That manual was published in 1944, when significant workplace malfeasance could be readily concealed. A worker in that time could easily hamper far more production than they were forced to produce to maintain their cover.
With modern workplace supervision, surveillance and record keeping designed specifically to identify and eliminate such “inefficiencies”, our modern saboteur cannot hope to achieve results anywhere close to those of his great-grandfather. The amount of production he has to achieve to maintain his cover greatly exceeds the loss of production from his efforts. Your great grandfather could throw a wrench in the gears and play dumb; you’ll be caught and prosecuted if you try the same, so you have to resort to less effective efforts.
With such extensive workplace surveillance in place, every worker in a unit can be a “saboteur”, and productivity from that unit can still be positive. They can churn out production even with every single worker actively trying to slow it.
Better for our would-be saboteur to resign. He sets the example for his former co-workers, while also saddling them with his work. His absence damages unit productivity more than he could achieve through active sabotage.
The tactics you are recommending are about 60 years out of date.
We’ve introduced 60 years of middle management. This stuff is still valid.
“Valid”
What is the point you’re attempting to make here?
You’re failing managing genocide, domestically and abroad. How was Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea, Venezuela, Libya, Yemen, Hawaii, etc.?
And cameras. And keycards. And computer logs. And forensics. Try to sabotage something big enough to matter, and management can identify you in a heartbeat. That’s the end of your resistance.
The overwhelming majority of us can cause a far greater loss of productivity by simply not showing up for work than through surreptitious sabotage. That just wasn’t true when “this stuff” was written.
Never worked in a motor pool or warehouse, i see. Never crossed a bridge or a railway, either it seems. You from the moon…?
Never worked in a motor pool or warehouse, i see
Both, actually.
This discussion stems from these comments:
What if i stayed, acting like i worked but not really doing anything? Blocking a Nazis spot, taking my salary out of their budget. Maybe even sabotaging. Lets all do that, collectively. Covering eachother by telling how good a job we are doing and so on…
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he Simple Sabotage Field Manual actually has a lot of recommendations for this. Here’s a part of it, just to give you an idea (in a spoiler block because it’s loooooong)
The premise here is “keep going to work, but do more harm than good”. If you get caught, you fail. If you get fired, you fail. If you are unable to cause greater harm than you produce, you fail. Meanwhile, the value of your labor (the job you have to keep doing to maintain your cover) is 6 to 10 times more valuable than that of your great grandfather. You’re producing 6 to 10 times as much as him; you need to be able to negate a commensurate amount of production, and you need to do it in a much more closely supervised environment. You have to do far more to look like a good employee, and in doing so, you’re setting the example for other workers to also look good at their jobs.
Sure, anyone can overtly sabotage a motor pool or warehouse and cause damage far in excess of a worker’s productivity. But that breaks the premise of the discussion. We aren’t talking about overt. We are talking about covert acts. We are talking about a long-term inside job.
The kind of sabotage conceived of in the Simple Sabotage Field Manual is a pipe dream 80 years later. It is not feasible. The harm a typical worker can expect to cause a modern enemy is a fraction of the productivity that enemy can continue to extract from that worker.
You’re assuming that literally every workplace is a surveillance panopticon.
It’s the opposite: Nazi sympathizers wants us to “nuance” that the mythic Schindler cannot do anything to prevent ICE and it’s continued fash acceleration, when they have everything in their power to destroy them. They even call him a Janitor 🧵, like if purging brown people and now white women is something to cleanup.
Nobody in the CIA is a good person, and the people that wrote that deprecated manual did it to sabotage other nation’s sovereignties.
The Nazis🧵 are equivalizing strategies to conquer other nations as strategies government employees should employ during a fascist coup already crystalizing.
When we’ve been saying from the start, those strategies DO NOT WORK. Nazis are still killing people in Minnesota, Louisiana, California, New York, etc…
You’re assuming that literally every workplace is a surveillance panopticon.
Relative to the degree of surveillance possible when the sabotage handbook was written, “every” workplace is, indeed, a surveillance panopticon.
We have developed and propagated a wide variety of tools for identifying, tracking, and eliminating the kind of production inefficiencies contemplated by the Simple Sabotage manual. The degree of accountability a modern worker faces is several orders of magnitude greater than that of the 1940’s worker. Even the smallest businesses now have access to logistical and accounting systems and services that couldn’t possibly exist back then.
I didn’t “assume” this level of surveillance. That degree of surveillance is a simple fact.
The term for this is “Little Eichmanns”.
Literally what occured to me in the past 24hrs
Here’s a comrade’s different interpretation of the same voting data.
🇺🇲Democrats want their flavor of fascism. Glad this community actually gets it.
This is a bad take, capitalist and the Nazis running the government don’t give two shits if a couple people quit to clear their conscience. If your in a productive part of the government, healthcare, sanitation, infrastructure etc. that isn’t directly contributing to the camps then don’t quit, organize. Start agitating to create a union, if there already is one, agitate within it, maybe you’ll get fired anyway but if you’ve integrated yourself into the workplace more by fighting for a union then your fellow workers will have more sympathy, be more angry at the boss who is trying to suppress speech and be more likely to follow you and withhold their labor then if you just yelled “Fuck ICE” as you quit.
Change won’t come from individual uncoordinated silent acts of conscience, it comes through building solidarity with your fellow workers and fighting together.
This is all if you work in a part of the government that actually helps people, if you are working in ICE, defense contractors, etc. then yeah quit your job.
First quit, then organise. If people keep doing their government job, fascism will run better. Only sabotage from within would work, but that’s a pretty poor career path.
First quit, then organise.
Their spot will be filled with a yes man for the party. Better to organize in your position of power and let them fire or remove you forcefully than to give up your seat.
Quitting won’t help here, imo.
“everyone working in my government”
Jesus Fucking Christ… I swear, some people read “kill the liberal inside your head” and heard “turn into a rambling, insufferable edgelord that has completely lost touch with reality.”
Do you even have the remotest idea how thoroughly fucked you (yes you, specifically - and specifically everybody around you) would be if every public worker in your country suddenly decided to up and leave their government job to fulfill your edgelord fantasy moral purity test?
We’re talking everybody - from the street sweepers, to sanitation workers, to nurses and health inspectors. Just how far do you think you’re going to get?
Even Joseph Fucking Stalin didn’t buy into this bullshit narrative of yours - neither did the hundreds of thousands of troops and resistance fighters who marched into Germany (including anarchist ones) and saw every kind of Nazi depravity with their own damn eyes.
But you, edgelord supremo, know better than them, right?
You’re right, it’s much better if the government agents prop the nazi regime. A strike of any sort is totally edgelord behaviour.
Fucking cringe, mate.
You’re right, it’s much better if the government agents prop the nazi regime.
Who is propping up this regime, db0?
The people who collected your garbage this week, perhaps?
Howzabout the plumbers who ensures that there’s water coming out of your taps? Perhaps them?
A strike of any sort is totally edgelord behaviour.
Who said anything about strikes? If the aforementioned garbage collectors and plumbers leave their government jobs out of some moral prerogative they can’t actually go on strikes, can they? The only place they’ll be “picketing” is on the unemployment line.
Motherfucker over here splitting hairs on how to disrupt the fucking nazi government…
Not going to engage with this cringe any further. I’m getting psychic damage just engaging with these arguments.
This is why tankies and communists are not allies of anyone. They put personal survival ahead of the survival of others. They have zero capacity for self sacrifice.
you misquoted liberals, who are in Congress right now, wearing badges as “Democrats”
Oh, you’re “getting psychic damage?”
I’m getting “psychic damage” constantly having to try and talk sense into “anarchists” who believe distancing themselves from the working class and maintaining the correct level of edgelord vibes will (somehow) magically change anything.
Don’t bother banning me… I’ll show myself out.
Yeah no, that’s not at all what they’re doing. Or do you disagree with what they said and think we should be killing plumbers and garbage men?
Grow up. Maybe read up on just how many people are employed by the US government at every level, and what some of those jobs actually are.
Nice strawman
Nice red herring.
I like how you can not engage in any of the points of the other argument and still pretend like you’re being the reasonable one. You throw out logical fallacies and think that makes you correct. You’ve ignored two arguments before this comment just attacking the other person, ignoring their points. It appears that you don’t actually have any ground to stand on and are just trying to be on offense so you don’t have to be on defence.
What strawman? I was asking if you disagreed with their point, because you didn’t address it at all. That’s not what a straw man is
That’s not what a straw man is
Oh really? Where did anyone say anything about murdening plumbers and garbage men.
It is better to have them there, rather than have the government be 100% Fascists. People who don’t support them can slow things down by “accidentally” doing things wrong/poorly. If they all leave and are replaced by actual Fascists who want to support the regime, they will do things as well as they possibly can. Also, having people in there who can feed information is also really useful.
This is the 22 years of slowing down you’re talking about:
At the least you’re honest on wanting them to stay there, accelerating genocide.
.001% Nazi state is still too many.Lol. I don’t think you understand how this all works. Do you think it’d be higher or lower with 100% of people working for them supporting what they want?
There’s a very real and useful tactic called malicious compliance, where you do what’s written but not what’s intended, to slow down the machinery. It’s a useful tactic, but you need people on the inside to do that.
If you still want them to leave after reading this, I’m assuming you’re on their side. You want them to leave to make room for obedient workers. If so, fuck off. You’re too easy to read.
Am I talking to a robot, or do you blatantly ignore the fact that ICE accelerated it’s “machinery” after 2025, and that malicious compliance is having the opposite effect, as I replied to you back?
How can you know it’s having the opposite effect if they’re accelerating their machinery? The result could easily just be the acceleration from increased spending and recruitment being more powerful than the malicious compliance.
If they leave, do you think those jobs remain vacant? Obviously not. They fill them with new employees, who will probably be sycophants. They’ll be happy to do the job as desired and make things worse.
Because effectively “They [have] fill them with new […] sycophants. They’ll be happy to do the job as desired and make things worse.” It’s 2026, they’ve point blank executed 9 people in Minnesota, a Blue state.
Go ahead explain to me how a park service maintenance worker scrubbing a toilet is propping up the regime.
have all the sanitation workers walkout and we’ll see how quickly a regime with clogged toilets (among others) survives.
They’d just put up an out of order sign or close the park. Doesn’t effect the regime and only harms the public
/disengage
Harming the public helps the resistance, by turning the public against the oppressive regime. Just like the oppressive regime shooting an innocent woman in the head helps the resistance by turning the public against the oppressive regime.
In the US? Lol ok
Unfortunately I don’t have that much faith in my fellow citizens anymore.
I don’t think anything is going to change until many begin starving. Hope I’m wrong though
Don’t you know it’s telephone sanitation engineers keeping society alive
A strike of any sort is totally edgelord behaviour.
Uhhhh, I thought this was strictly an anarchist instance? Not a prog-lib one. You think ditching tried and true socialist praxis is “edgelord behaviour?”OOpsCan you parse sarcasm?
Well to be fair…
The vast majority of Nazi’s were pardoned as you can’t jail the majority of an entire country. The West of the worst were tried and sentenced, most simply weren’t even charge with anything. Most Nazi soldiers simply returned home.
Also, back then just about everything was linked to the Nazi’s and there war effort, so unless you worked for the resistance, technically, you were working for the Nazi’s too
Having said that, most of ICE, for example, will not be charged with much, I expect. Trump’s top level goons, on the other hand…
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My philosophy allows for distinction between death squads and meter maids.
The guy who scrubbed Hitler’s toilet was not culpable in the same manner as the asshole who sat on it.
If your livelihood depends on Hitler being in power, you’re going to keep him in power. In a very real sense, the toilet guy is more culpable than the asshole who sat on it.
“You know who I blame for the holocaust? The janitor!”
Fuck off.
Hitler had no power whatsoever without the will of the German populace.
It was the sum total of all the trivial efforts - like those of that janitor - that gave us the Holocaust.
Dictators have immense power despite what the populace wants. That’s… what makes them dictators. Even when everyone opposes the military, their opposition is the military, so the people tend to lose horribly.
Are you more responsible for capitalism than Elon Musk?
Are you more responsible for capitalism than Elon Musk?
The consumer class is responsible not just for making Musk a billionaire, but also Bezos, Zuckerberg, Brin, Arnault, Ballmer, all of the Waltons… The most accurate answer to your question is “Yes”, I am indeed more responsible for capitalism than Elon Musk.
So the guillotines go where, first?
In 1930s Germany? Here’s a shortlist of candidates.
I wonder what I’d do if the Americans took over Canada. Likely all my savings would vanish overnight along with the Canadian dollar, so all I’d own is what’s in our apartment at the time. I would probably have to work for the occupiers just to eat.
Pretty sure the guerillas would feed you, and as a bonus, you get to shoot nazis
Feed us what? Carrots? Most of Canada’s food is imported during the winter!
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Pretty sure the guerillas would feed you,
What guerillas? You think Canadians would actually launch an insurgency against the US if the US decided to invade?
Don’t make me laugh.
have you met the natives?
isn’t that what the 90s crisis in Quebec was?
100% yes. Parts of Canada would go along with it, but plenty of the country would resist.
also big reminder we are the ones who have to take them to court, they won’t kill or arrest themselves.
I was just following orders, was never accepted as a defence in the Nürnberg Trials, Never Forget
The Nuremberg trials were also a fucking disgrace that exonerated most of the nazis and prosecuted a few high ranking officials that were not useful enough to be part of Operation Paperclip or put onto one of the many Nazi ratlines, or a stay behind operation in Gladio.
There’s a reason the nazis fled to the west, they knew the middle of Berlin was where justice stopped.
Except it was. It absolutely was. It worked for over 99% of Nazi’s who got off with absolutely zero consequences and continued to live their lives without even really being ostracized from their communities until they died from old age. Only a few high level commanders were ever punished. Pretty much none of the jackboot soldiers faced any charges.
“Never Forget”? What a fucking joke. People already “forgot” the truth of what happened in favor of a pretty lie that terrible people always face justice.
Yeah, that is too harsh.
We should call them cum stains.
From the sidebar: “Post humorous takes on capitalism and the states which prop it up. Memes, shitposting, screenshots of humorous good takes, discussions making fun of some reactionary online, it all works.”
What’s the funny part?
Does this mean that if a communist party was suddenly running the government then all state employees would suddenly flip from being nazis to communists?
Exactly that
