• apftwb@lemmy.world
    51·
    15 天前

    I choose a distro based on the name and logo. If the distro doesn’t feel cool anymore, I switch.

  • gustofwind@lemmy.worldEnglish
    813·
    15 天前

    I don’t use arch because I did use arch and that’s all you need to do to not use arch again

  • Addv4@lemmy.world
    8·
    15 天前

    I like endeavorOS, it’s the main distro I use on my pcs. I’ve run arch before (with i3wm and switchable Nvidia graphics) and did for years, but honestly I don’t really have the time to properly configure my systems to my liking, so the option to install the sway community edition and just tweak a few settings in the config files is very nice.

    • ReallyZen@lemmy.ml
      2·
      15 天前

      Today’s arch experience : upgraded after 6 months or so. Yeah, had to upgrade signatures first, had to remove manually conflicted stuff, and that’s it. Works, as ever.

      Now yesterday I tried installing stremio on my wife’s ubuntu. Gosh wtf, how do they expect any normal consumer going through gît and stack’ just to install that piece of crap.

  • otacon239@lemmy.world
    502·
    15 天前

    I tried running Bazzite for a few months, but just kept running into one weird issue after another. Went to Endeavor and they all went away overnight.

    I’m technical enough that I can configure Arch from scratch, but simply can’t be bothered. I just need my computer to work. Every day.

    I felt like when I was working with Arch, and I’m sure it’s operator error, it was like maintaining a starship with a dozen systems that could individually go wrong and I was responsible for all of them. Endeavor was fully setup with no weirdness in less than 30 minutes.

    • dil@piefed.zipEnglish
      1·
      14 天前

      I had cachyos for 6 months no issues than the last 6 months it’s been freezing constantly, was fine on an older kernel, but fans and performance mode didnt work, stuck on high or low (could swap on latest rc kernel, but itd freeze) Tried bazzite and so far no freezes (except when using usb c to display port but I had bsod on windows doing that in vr and I think thats just a laptop hardware problem)

    • Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works
      17·
      15 天前

      Had the opposite experience, tried Endevour first, must have done something wrong as it started running like ass/freezing up constantly requiring a full reboot to come back.

      Swapped to bazzite and didn’t have that issue again, I did get to learn more about how to work with mutable distros too.

      Ultimately didn’t matter much as that laptop died about a year later anyway, it won’t turn on at all anymore, good run of like 10 years tho.

      • Allero@lemmy.today
        2·
        14 天前

        These odd freezes, especially when moving files at scale, is something I struggled with on all Arch-based distros I had installed: Arch itself, EndeavourOS, Manjaro.

        Either Arch doesn’t like my hardware in some way, or it’s just something Arch users struggle with.

        Any other distros worked just fine in that regard.

    • mrcleanup@lemmy.world
      42·
      15 天前

      Garuda is an Arch based non immutable distro with a similar gaming and performance focus to Bazzite. It’s where I went when Bazzite felt off to me.

      For anyone thinking of a switch, it’s worth a look.

    • Allero@lemmy.today
      33·
      14 天前

      Arch can be configured without archinstall in 20 minutes by a YouTube video even if you’re a grandma with 0 technical skills.

      Let’s all stop pretending that having it manually installed means anything and just use whatever does it for us. Like, well, Endeavour.

      • otacon239@lemmy.world
        2·
        14 天前

        It’s not the installation I fail on. It’s that 3-4 months after installation, my installation is so bespoke that I don’t even know how to make a forum post on it anymore.

        I did mention I can install it by hand, but I hardly gain any benefit by doing so other than clout. And I don’t give a hoot about clout.

        • Allero@lemmy.today
          2·
          14 天前

          That’s one of my gripes with Arch, too. It takes too much manual interaction on an everyday basis, it’s not a “set it and forget it” kind of system.

          To some, sometimes lesser, extent it also translates to its derivatives, be it Endeavour, Garuda, Manjaro or whatever strikes one’s fancy.

      • LwL@lemmy.world
        41·
        14 天前

        You… heavily overestimate a grandma with 0 technical skills.

        It can be installed in 20 minutes with a youtube video by a person with 0 technical knowledge that is comfortable using a computer and doesn’t get scared seeing a terminal.

        • Allero@lemmy.today
          2·
          14 天前

          Fair enough. Honestly, fear is the main barrier

          If you can open a YouTube video, open a terminal and not scream in horror, you fill all the prerequisites.

    • hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz
      5·
      15 天前

      Same experience with bazzite.I had a very strange issue with packages completly gone after using LACT to experiment and managing to freeze my os.

      TBH I realised immutable systems aren’t for me and I am not a linux noob, so I immediately went back to Arch and never looked back.

      archinstall is amazing btw. Best installer by far IMHO. shit free, takes 30s to setup an arch system with great defaults. Nothing beats it for me.

      Edit: for me someone using “I use void btw” would make more sense.

        • vaionko@sopuli.xyz
          5·
          14 天前

          The root filesystem is read only, packages are installed on the user level through for example flakpak. And a lot of time system updates come as a whole new root filesystem, essentially making broken updates impossible.

  • domdanial@reddthat.comEnglish
    27·
    14 天前

    Basically means that the core OS files and systems can’t be changed. Everything else is stacked on top, and usually it means that you can rollback to a previous OS version if an update breaks something, without relying on any other image backup software.

    Usually results a more stable reliable system, or at least one that’s easy to revert to working.

    The downside being a reduction in flexibility and customizable options, and most programs need to be “containerized.”

    • NathanUp@lemmy.mlEnglish
      9·
      14 天前

      Endeavour is not immutable. It’s Arch with a graphical installer and some convenient tools in the welcome app.

  • Hond@piefed.socialEnglish
    9·
    15 天前

    Yes, but CachyOS for me.

    So far only one update broke my entire system but luckily snapper was configured in the installation process so i just rolled back and updated 4 days later.

  • Digit@lemmy.wtfEnglish
    7·
    14 天前

    I installed Artix yesterday.

    Absent-mindedly.

    Meant to install AntiX.

    Didn’t realise until done.

    XD

    A silly grep for “tix” (not “tiX”) in iso dir, saw the various inits, + dyslexia + haste, went with it thinking I had the right ones to dd to usb. So absent minded all the artix logos in my face didn’t phase me through booting and installing. XD

    Doesn’t really matter. Installed AntiX straight after. Hijacked with bedrocklinux and installing the other to another stratum too anyway. I just wanted antiX for hijack default init stratum from the start, for a more stable (slower-upgrading) base.

    Fun that two distros offering init freedom are so similarly named. Just one letter and one capitalisation different. r > n & x > X.

    Well. That was fun. LOL.

    Can you choose your init in Arch or EndeavourOS yet?

    • Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      3·
      13 天前

      You mean “can you remove systemd”? Short answer: yes.

      Should you do it? Only if you’re fucking insane.

      Just use Artix if you care that much

      • Digit@lemmy.wtfEnglish
        2·
        13 天前

        You mean “can you remove systemd”? Short answer: yes.

        ? you can? I’d rather start without it, than try to remove it.

        Should you do it? Only if you’re fucking insane.

        Why do you say that?

        Just use Artix if you care that much

        Or Devuan (or any devuan respin), or CRUX, or Gentoo, or VoidLinux, or Slackware, or GuixSD, or Loc-OS, or Alpine, or Joborun, or Hyperbola, or Parabola, or Venom, or PCLinuxOS, or GoboLinux, or SulinOS, or KISS Linux, or Carbs Linux, or LigurOS, or Dragora, or GlaucusLinux, or NutyX, or AntiX, or MXLinux, or Slitaz, or Puppy (or any pup respins), or PuffOS, or TinyCore, or Slax, or Chimera, or NXOS, or Peppermint, or LFS, or CalculateLinux, or RedCore Linux, or Obarun, or BedrockLinux, 4MLinux, or Absolute Linux, or Austrumi Linux, or BharOS, or CalyxOS, or Damn Small Linux, or DivestOS, or Dyne:bolic, or e, or Knoppix, or Kwort Linux, or LibreCMC, or LightOS, or LineageOS, or Nanolinux, or Porteus, or Salix, or Source Mage, or VectorLinux, or Vine Linux, or Zenwalk, or Zeroshell, or…

        … Or any of the BSDs, or SerenityOS, or any of the AROS distros, or the one Ironclad distro (Gloire), or any of the OpenSolaris distros, or ReactOS, or Redox, or Kolibrios, or SculptOS, or Plan9/9Front, or Haiku, or…

        … Did I miss any? [Edit… oh, I missed dozens]

        It’s not like there’s just one, nor even just an “insane” few, to avoid systemd. Contrary to the corporate encouraged misinfo smears going around.

        Even if one is insistent users stay in the arch cult, there are like half a dozen options.

        I prefer freedom of choice.

        Long live init-freedom.

        Defy group-think dogma.

        [PS, I do like the play on “Just use Mint”. ;)]

        • Ricaz@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          4·
          13 天前

          I say insane because Arch is very much not made to run without systemd, and you would need to make a lot of changes to make it work without it.

          So, as you say, just choose a distro without systemd

    • swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      9·
      15 天前

      EndeavourOS makes running an Arch system easier, that’s all. Could swap out EndeavourOS with CachyOS and the meme would be the same.

      • texture@lemmy.world
        3·
        15 天前

        oh wow, thats what its saying? maybe my brain is bad, but this meme really doesnt clearly convey that. thanks for the help!

  • ORbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
    651·
    15 天前

    I get that people like things to be easier, but honestly, Arch’s installation process is so streamlined these days that I don’t see that as the selling point. However, if it provides a better driver experience, then that’s cool. Simply not something I need.

    • unique_hemp@discuss.tchncs.de
      6·
      15 天前

      archinstall straight up could not deal with the partition setup I wanted, EOS installed without problems. Something about installing btrfs with multiple subvolumes next to Windows on the same drive.

    • NominatedNemesis@reddthat.com
      4·
      15 天前

      I have used both Arch and Eos. I use a special tiling wm, and I have Nvidia. Form Arch I have to install everything I need, from Eos I just select install without a wm/dm remove some bloat and install the missing. Almost the same outcome, almost the same time to set up. So it does not matter (for me).

      Out of the box Eos provieds ease, Arch provides knowledge (along the way). I have friends which are tech savy enough to daily drive Eos, but unintrested to learn how the linux ecosystem works by installing Arch (at least until a bug forces them to read the wiki)

    • optissima (she/her)@lemmy.ml
      13·
      15 天前

      My wife found it accessible enough that I switched my own setup to it for consistency and it’s done well. But yeah if arch works don’t consider switching

    • SloganLessons@lemmy.worldEnglish
      53·
      15 天前

      EOS provides some more QoL features, it’s not just the installation itself (a button to update mirrors, auto keyring update, some nice pre-installed things like yay, etc)

      If you need an Arch installation ready to go out of the box, EOS is a solid choice.

      Edit: not trying to convince you to jump to EOS, just providing a bit more context about the distro

      • ORbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        191·
        15 天前

        Yeah, that’s cool. For me, the beauty of Arch is how naked it is when I install it. It’s like “least priveleges” but for my workstation. I only add the crap I want. No more, no less.

        I cut my teeth on FreeBSD 2.2.1 way back in '97 or whenever the hell that came out. Suffice it to say, that OS was naked as hell. Arch feels like coming home to me in a strange way, even though BSD is still solid. Linux is a much better workstation that BSD these days.

        edit: perhaps I’m something of a masochist. :)