Destroy Reality. Create a Multiverse.
MULTIVERSE is a PieFed instance for soulists. Our rules are designed to create a safe space for minorities, including those considered unreal by society. We are also an anarchist instance and do not allow tankie propaganda. We aim for transparent and fair moderation in line with the principles of anarcho-antirealism, and to be fertile ground for discussion of soulist ideology. We also aim to be intuitive to use for new fediverse denizens who don’t care how federation works, and are just interested in the politics. Our manifesto can be found at http://soulism.net/.
An anarchist who views natural laws as unjust hierarchies. Most of our community is on Discord, but we have a few mostly abandoned subreddits and some local action groups. Now we also have a federated forum.
So gravity is something you consider unjust?
Yes. Gravity does not ask one’s consent before pulling. If one has arthritis or chronic fatigue, gravity will hurt them. I believe in building technology to challenge the dominance of this law, such as wheelchairs, fitness programs, and science fiction antigravity machines.
Interesting. It sounds like soulism is very similar to anarcho-transhumanism, but with a spiritual component, is that correct?
Many soulists believe in two different branches of soulist thought: scientific soulism and spiritual soulism. I disagree, I think magic is a science and spirituality can be a technology. But there are soulists who reject spiritual means of changing our perceptions, and there are spiritual soulists who do not use the scientific method. So to answer your question: sometimes.
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Not much. Oxygen is much lower on the list of priorities than capitalism and pluralphobia.
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I don’t really care whether you see gravity as inescapable (though I’m glad the Wright brothers didn’t), but there are other “natural, inescapable laws” that are completely fake, and some people cause a lot of harm by attacking those who break them. And so I want you to be open to the concept of people accomplishing the impossible, so that you won’t be one of those people.
For example, gender essentialists claim that sex is a “natural, inescapable law”. And that makes them transphobic. Species essentialists claim that species is a “natural, inescapable law”, and not just a convenient social construct biologists use to make their jobs easier. And that makes them kinphobic.
I want you to open your mind to the impossible and question everything.
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Well, Donald Hoffman, the cognitive psychologist investigating perception of reality, has asserted that spacetime is a mental construct that simplifies our perception of the world around us so that it requires fewer resources to sustain. Since under Einstein gravity is curvature of spacetime, if true this means gravity is part of our interface too. There is something making people fall down ladders, but it’s not as simple as our mind perceives it to be, even for Einstein. Newtonian gravity and Aristotlean gravity have of course been entirely debunked and were thus “escaped”.
So yeah, gravity is fake. But gravity’s fakeness isn’t that important.
A more interesting way is to understand that there is a difference between what is and how it affects us. The point isn’t so much to decide whether gravity exists or not but to make sure it doesn’t impose any unfair weight (ha) on some members of the society and not others. When we say “it’s just exists” we’re very close to say “there’s nothing we can do about this” and that justifies unfair situations.
The belief in an objective reality is the source of all bigotries and nearly all oppressions. It’s the reason for religious genocides, transphobia, capitalism, and zionism. You believe in less reality than the people who do those things. You’re less realist. I want you to go further, be more radical, believe in no reality. I think you haven’t gone far enough yet.
There would not be life without gravity though…
True, but that doesn’t make gravity all good. It puts gravity on about the same ethical standing as an abusive parent. If we can find a way to improve gravity, we should do it.
This feels like satire, ngl
I don’t think Gravity is the hierarchy preventing arthritis patients from getting medical care
So you don’t believe that people have a right to not be murdered?
I’m not a soulist like the user you replied to, but for another perspective, mine is that rights are imaginary constructs which mean nothing if unenforceable.
People have some rights to not be murdered; that’s not an opinion if we have a compatible definition of ‘rights’, it’s written in law, it’s ingrained into mainstream liberalist social norms and ethics. So the right exists as a social idea which sometimes manifests in real consequences. However:
all of these anarchist flavors are a form of relativism where all that matters is people’s individual feelings.
it’s a form of solipsism when you start asking questions about it.
and when you draw it out, it inevitable leads to consequences that totally contradict it’s tenants. but anarchists… don’t do that… they just feel the feelings, man.
anarchism is great if you never think, but some flavors of it regard thinking as an undue burden foist upon people by a unjust society… hence why you are getting these absurd answer about how gravity is unjust and cruel. I suppose they also regard having to eat/drink/breathe as injustices that ‘society’ forces upon us.
My experience with anarchists, limted though it is, their hearts are in the right place, they know what sides they are not on, but do not neccessarily know a lot outside of their doctrine. But they will fight.
So better than most all. Knowing what side you are NOT on is becoming rarer.
most people don’t care about sides. they just care about money.
and rightfully so. your theory or political stance can’t buy you food or a car or other basic necessities.
Caring about money is taking a side though
nobody doesn’t care about money. anyone who says they don’t is a liar and are usually the people who are the most easily bought.
You must care about money in a capitalist world, of course; the real question is do you want money to matter all the time or not
it doesn’t matter what you want, society dictates the rules.
unless you go off the grid or something. then you can go make your perfect society, because there won’t be one.
That is true. They would care about sides if there was a good side that fought against them being taken advantage of. People try to win rural, red areas being conservative light. They need new dealist. Too late now maybe.
they call any new deal type thinking ‘populism’ and lump it in with Trump.
the ‘new deal’ rural areas are getting is shitty Data centers fucking up their landscapes and giving them zero jobs.
Yep, dem establishment’s raison de etre is not beating republicans but quashing popular reform, then extracting money from their and for their donor patrons.
It is dumbass logic. They call the far right populist. The far right are pieces of shit. Therefore populists are bad.
In a country that chooses leaders with popular votes. Truth is dumber than fiction this is the argument influence ops and sheep will endlessly yell you down with.
The far right are fake popular anyway. They scspegoat, or promist to fix issues they want to make worse. Although a handful lile mtg actually believe the hype bless them.
Everyone knows they are getting screwed if not by whom. We all know they do not know better, and or refuse to continually endorse an ever worsening party whose only selling point is the other guy is worse.
Facing an existential threat in nazis, they figured to stick to the anti popular plan. And STILL do. I am sick of trying to argue it. The not voting people were right all along, it was all pointless. I still want to try, but under these dems there is no chance.
What is meant by “natural” laws?
The laws which people believe to be part of reality. Such as gravity, time, human nature, and species.