• ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca
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    6 days ago

    We’re so fucked. I seriously have no hope for the future. As long as we elect these politicians that prioritize the economy and deny scientific facts,  nothing will change and it’s just going to get worst for the most of us. But those billionaires who are influencing our politics to make those kinds of decisions will be well off, so it’s none of their concerns

    As soon as we eliminate these billionaires and eliminate the system that allows them to happen, the better off we will be.

    • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca
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      6 days ago

      Quick recap: it was a choice between

      • bad
      • worse

      We chose bad, to ensure we didn’t get worse.

      Keep that in mind. We can do better, but we almost did way worse.

      • Soup@lemmy.world
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        We had three choices. The NDP, despite people like you, had over the half the votes that the Liberals got in 2021. The “strategic” thing to do would have been for usual Liberal voters to have voted NDP to try to claw our way out of this right-wing shithole but of course “strategic” voting only ever seems to go one way.

        We had a choice to make and we failed. We failed because Conservatives are complete morons at every level, giving fair too much strength to people like PP, and because centrists are cowards who demand everyone else accommodate them but who will never make any real sacrifices themselves. We failed because “strategic” voters caved to pressure and fear and voted against their principles and against the longterm health of the country.

        And, as always, choosing the center has made it worse. “To ensure it didn’t get worse” is what comes from the mouths of the ignorant. Trudeau only got worse as time went on, and Carney is even more right-wing than he was. Don’t you dare act like you saved anyone from anything.

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          Are you choosing to ignore the existential threat that we face right now with the US in particular? For which Carney is really the best equipped to manage?

          You wanted everyone to vote NDP, when there was no earthly reason to believe that Singh had any ability to navigate these waters, and which would have inevitably given us a Conservative majority.

          Unfortunately for us and for the world, the existential threat from the US means we also need to balance, as delicately as possible, our climate change and sustainability goals against the immediate necessity for trade and economic diversification, defense and northern development. Or do you believe we can chase climate goals without our sovereignty?

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            IS Carney the best equipped to manage it? Says who? He’s great at fuckkng over the working class more than his party ever has, and he’s great at selling our resources instead of controlling them and building our national strength. He’s also tip-toeing around the US like he’s afraid of them after running on that “elbows up” nonsense.

            Singh was able to get the NDP to force the Liberal minority government to actually do things for people. And heck, I remembee during CERB times, when the pandemic was still cruising, how the Cons wanted to terminate the program and the Libs wanted to reduce but the NDP kept it at the full strength it needed to be at in order.

            The NDP will never be enough for you people and there will always be excuses for the Liberals. Pathetic.

    • minorkeys@lemmy.world
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      There is no economic solution to climate change. Factoring in the externalized cost of pollution would make everything unaffordable. Until technologies provide economically viable solutions, the economy is just gonna keep doing what it is currently dependent on to function.

      • ikidd@lemmy.world
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        6 days ago

        This is the correct answer with the caveat that the solution is an economic solution: alternative energy has to be so economically superior that it overrides the legacy lobbies. Which is getting close to being the case everywhere except extremely corrupt systems like the US.

        • ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca
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          Do you even know how much governments subsidize the oil industry with taxpayer money? If we stopped tomorrow, we’d have the money to fund these green alternatives. But instead we have billionaire welfare leeches telling our governments what to do.

    • ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      5 days ago

      Solar might not be a good option in Canada. Especially North. Also, I thought batteries go bad in the cold, which is why I am confused that Norway has lots of Teslas.