Turns out all you need is a Supreme Court majority on your side and you can wipe your ass with the Constitution.
Oh my fucking god… Every comment in this stupid thread is saying the same stupid thing. “Time to get your guns…”, "Exercise your 2nd amendment… " Yeah, that’s hilarious tough guy. Do you have a gun? No? well do you have a gun license? No? Well do you know the first thing about firearms? You do! Oh you’ve played several call of duty games… Awesome. Do you know that you’re statistically more likely to shoot a family member than a home intruder? Well I hope you don’t like them much.
Ok, moving past the idiotic bravado… It sounds like you have no solution for people who aren’t just itching to murder other people. Say for instance, that I have no interest in shooting someone, and in fact feel that a civil society should not involve shooting anyone, especially fellow countrymen. With that in mind, for the sane perhaps 70% of Americans, do you have any useful advice besides “get a gun”?
Finally, if your plan does work and every American arms themselves, then congratulations, we’ve fallen into civil war 2. Now what? Even if you do have guns, the government has bigger ones and they have munitions you don’t. You will always, always be outgunned by the military. Now being armed makes you a hostile combatant/terrorist agent in the eyes of the law, anything you do with it will be deemed illegal. Some good that 2nd amendment is doing you. What’s your plan now?
This comment is wild
We will will revolt so you can stay cozy, lil buddy. Already fought a war over bullshit that didn’t help Americans or our security…it will be nice actually be fighting for a cause this time.
When you feel powerless and don’t know how to fix a situation it’s only natural to want to do something, that makes perfect sense. But it’s worth remembering, that there is no situation so bad that you can’t still make it worse. Sometimes when all your options are bad, waiting to act is in fact the correct course of action.
More Americans died in the civil war than in any other American conflict. This is despite the increasing lethality of weaponry over the years, despite the scope and length of wars like WW2. Following the war much of the country was left in ruin, the economic cost was staggering, it took decades to recover.
My point is, starting a war is a bad idea. Sure, at least it’s doing something, but it’s doing the wrong thing, it’s the opposite of helping.
well do you have a gun license?
Tell me you’re describing your own lack of experience with firearms without telling me you’re describing your own lack of experience with firearms.
So you plan to just take the abuse and the loss of your liberties and freedoms?
I’ll stick to my guns.
As a gun owner, I agree with this. Open fire on ICE…see how that goes. You won’t win. You might kill one, but they will CERTAINLY kill your back. Isn’t it odd that in the most armed county on earth, no ICE officers have been shot in the line of duty (check me there, but I’m not familiar with one)?
Seems like most people are focused on the gun thing here. You already said it; what civil solution do we have?
Protests, which are doing little to nothing. What happens when those fail? This is extreme fedposting.
Honestly, an .ml agreeing is the only thing giving me pause. That suggests the CCP wants us shooting each other and their agents are stoking that rage. Interesting.
You see one user of the original instance and you assume I’m CCP? If it were that straight forwardly obvious, wouldn’t you think they’d move to a new instance? No, I’m saying because I know my history and am actually in the thick of it in America unlike you, you troll. What rage would even be stoked?
Me, looking up what fedposting is…lol. Ben Jordan did a great video on that or something similar. Quickly becoming my favorite YouTuber.
You make a good point; protest, write representatives, all good things. Vote in the midterms (assuming we have them).
All that said, it doesn’t make what I said untrue. Post 2nd amendment stuff if it’s cathartic, but think it through.
I’m shook by how powerless I feel and guns don’t help the situation. But that feeling of helplessness is a feature of the fascism playbook.
I am not saying go straight to mindlessly shooting people, that won’t happen and will certainly only hurt people. I am saying that if these options do fail, which they have every time they haven’t been backed up with the threat of violence, options are limited with what can be done next.
Community building. That’s the best thing we can do right now. Building social structures to help take care of everyone when the crumbling system will inevitably fail us. This can include making sure that vulnerable people are safe when ICE are sighted in the local area.
You are already defeated I see.
You are already brainwashed I see.
Do you understand what irony is?
Back to the keyboard they go.
Legit question, are you brain damaged?
Completely agree.
Now if they fix this up, they might shut up about how great it is and how free it keeps them because that’s all we ever fuckin heard.
People break into my house I’m with intent to harm me andy family
This guy: welp. Guess I’ll die.
He didn’t ever get his gun license.
Guess I’ll defend myself, but not with a gun.
Says 80% of the global population…
Yeah, that’s such a weird stance. It’s just what the vast majority of people do.
So do you put like ketchup or ranch on the boot first, or…?
You’re welcome to not have guns. No one is forcing you to defend yourself. You can fight ICE with your bare hands if you want.
But maybe don’t shit on others for wanting to be pragmatic.
That’s funny, because I say I can shoot someone for an armed unlawful entry. So either the law is on my side, or the laws are illegitimate and are irrelevant anyway. I guess we’ll just have to disagree.
Fuck did that say? Point this cannon that wonder
They won’t like that with a Constitutionalist.
The Nazis ruled Germany for 12 years. The Gestapo believed that they were untouchable. In the end, the leader was dead by suicide, the senior officers tried and executed, the junior officers hunted, tried, convicted, and executed, imprisoned or murdered, and those who weren’t caught were hunted and on the run for the rest of their lives until they were dead.
I’m just saying.
and those who weren’t caught were hunted and on the run for the rest of their lives until they were dead.
this is actually untrue in some cases. Some really made the getaway to Latin America and literally got away with it.
Josef Mengele is the worst for multiple reasons. He got married under his own name, WENT BACK TO GERMANY UNDER HIS REAL PASSPORT IN HIS REAL NAME ON HOLIDAY AND RETURNED, and died in a swimming accident after a normal lifespan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Mengele#In_South_America
Mengele worked as a carpenter in Buenos Aires while lodging in a boarding house in the suburb of Vicente López.[95] After a few weeks, he moved to the house of a Nazi sympathizer in the neighborhood of Florida Este. He next worked as a salesman for his family’s farm equipment company, Karl Mengele & Sons, and in 1951, he began making frequent trips to Paraguay as a regional sales representative for the firm.[96] He moved into an apartment in central Buenos Aires in 1953, used family funds to buy a part interest in a carpentry concern, and then rented a house in the suburb of Olivos in 1954
After obtaining a copy of his birth certificate through the West German embassy in 1956, Mengele was issued an Argentine foreign residence permit under his real name. He used this document to obtain a West German passport using his real name and embarked on a trip to Europe.[99][100] He met with his son Rolf (who was told Mengele was his “Uncle Fritz”)[101] and his widowed sister-in-law Martha for a ski holiday in Switzerland. He also spent a week in his home town of Günzburg.[102][103] When he returned to Argentina in September 1956, Mengele applied for and received an Argentinian identity card under the name José Mengele, a variation of his real name
Martha and her son Karl Heinz followed about a month later, and the three began living together. Josef and Martha were married in 1958 while on holiday in Uruguay, and they bought a house in Buenos Aires
Rolf, who had not seen his father since the ski holiday in 1956, visited him at the bungalow in 1977; he found an “unrepentant Nazi” who claimed he had never personally harmed anyone and only carried out his duties as an officer.[138]
On 7 February 1979, while visiting his friends Wolfram and Liselotte Bossert in the coastal resort of Bertioga,[140] Mengele had a second stroke while swimming and drowned.
Just to remind you, this is Josef “The angel of death” Mengele, who experimented on human beings for funsies and just to see what would happen. The guy that Slayer wrote their biggest hit around. This prick got away with it all, learnt nothing, had no shame AND WENT BACK TO GERMANY ON HOLIDAY.
Is RFK Mengele in this scenario? Do you think there are many rocket scientists working for ICE? Are Trump’s cabinet members political elites?
The Trump regime is a pedofascist kleptocratic idiocracy. ICE are the prison camp guards who were hunted relentlessly until they were caught or dead.
And most adminaristive people on the political side just continued to rule. There are plenty of German politicians today those parents or mentors were prominent collaborators.
If this goes historically barely anyone in power will be held responsible.
In the DDR maybe. In the west they were so on the run that they ran themselves into being NATO’s chief staff officer, working for the US, getting into politics or just dicking around in South America.
Which of the people in the Trump regime do you think are at the same intellectual level? Rocket scientists? Brilliant physicians?
The Nazi elite were evil geniuses. The Trumpers are just evil.
plenty of nazis ended up in nasa, in the UN and in argentina
Plenty also ended up as politicians in West Germany or running NATO.
Denazification was a myth. Priorities shifted to dealing with the Soviets after WWII.
It was just impossible to implement, also people able to run the country were needed when it was in rubble.
Anyone who had any kind of meaningful job had to enlist with the nazi party.
If Trump required enlistment in a Maga party to work in the US, what do you think people would do?
How many rocket scientists do you think are working at ICE?
They will absolutely come for the guns next. Once the population is disarmed the civil war will begin. Martial law. Police state. No privacy protections. All amendments abolished. Civil rights act abolished. Military checkpoints at all state borders. Reinstated draft. 10% inflation. 20% unemployment. Reeducation centers. Prison work camps. State takeover of media. Iron curtain. Restricted Internet.
This year. Get out while the borders are open.
This year. Get out while the borders are open.
Some people have to stay behind to sabotage the Regime.
Let’s just hope they spare your family.
You mean the ones that have been voting for this stuff since the 80s? I hope they get what they deserve
If you think they will take guns away from Americans in 2026 at any kind of scale you are very naive
Doesn’t mean they won’t try
All I know is that “they wouldn’t do that…” had always been answered with “yes they are”
Prisoners are profitable and will only become increasingly profitable as they start using them as slave labor, which is specifically allowed under the Constitution. Only chattle slavery was abolished. When they are no longer subject to being voted out of office there is every incentive in the world to arrest people.
So new executive order: we gotta stop all the school shootings therefore all guns are illegal. Gun owners will be required to turn in their weapons in exchange for a pennies on the dollar buyback. These weapons will then be sold by the government to who the fuck knows. This will be followed by a house to house compliance check where you either produce your receipt or submit to a warrantless search. Anyone caught with a weapon will be sent to a prison work camp making iPhones and drones. Simple as that.
Oh you want to fight back? Bueno, now you’re a terrorist. This justifies further military presence in your town and seizure of all of your assets. You will be lucky if your family isn’t required to pay upfront for your prison stay.
I am not being naive. I am being real. I am an American but I was not educated in the American school system. I understand what is happening because it has happened a thousand times to a thousand other countries. There is a standard operation of events and we are following a textbook march into dictatorship.
Do you know anything at all about the laws surrounding prison labor?
We are witnessing an administration who does not consider themselves to be bound by established laws and norms. We are watching our constitutional rights being eroded one by one in real time. Do you think he will ever say “oh man I would love to do something but it would be illegal if I did”. Who is being naive now?
Other than the black Panthers ain’t nobody already with guns doing anything right now.
Get out
And will you run from the country you go to and leave it to fend for itself, too?
Why can’t you people stand for something other than yourselves? It starts with voting, if you get the chance.
Just do your duty you lazy, lazy shits. Fucking vote, if you get a chance again. In the meantime stay home, peacefully shut production down which is now your only option, and don’t let this shit happen again.
You dumb shit. It’s a fucking US government coup. No one ever voted out a dictator.
Here we go, fucking excuses again, touched with an insult this time.
You douche rocketeer, how the fuck do you think Republicans have gained so much control over several elections? Because they voted. They didn’t piss and moan like you, they voted.
It’s no fucking coup you clown, the citizens voted them in and they’re now doubling down on fascism. They didn’t coup it, they were handed it on a platter. Over several elections as well.
You have no excuses. Stop pissing and moaning. Now it’s a national shutdown or you’re fucked. Try the easy way next time, goose.
I’m not talking about the Republicans that were voted for. I’m talking about who they are now becoming. This is very obviously a coordinated effort to change the foundations of our system into something it’s not.
I apologize for the insult. That was not cool.
This was very obviously a coordinated…
Which we all knew about, the whole world knew.
The US citizenry has had ample chances among several warnings, including a trial run, to fix this. They never turn out in enough numbers to make any difference. In 2016 you were telling people who were telling you to vote to mind their own business and it was a right not to vote.
The Republicans were always the same. They haven’t changed, there’s just no mask now.
That’s okay, I swung a couple back which I guess I shouldn’t have either.
FUCK. just… Idk FUCK. I’m pretty sure we are both on the same side but are equally pissed off from opposite sides of the same problem
We are all experiencing the consequences of a plan laid out long before people were looking close enough to see pawns for the queens.
I think the “so what do we do now” argument is over. We are at triage levels now. Yes protests are necessary. Protests are the immune system that will save us all eventually, but I’m not a leukocyte. I am a platelet. I am the strong back with a broom and a shovel that will clean up when it’s over. The survivors are the ones who rebuild.
I’m just annoyed that Americans as a collective can’t take the responsibility of voting seriously. Can’t take the easier route to what they want.
These people know the population won’t vote and are dependent on that. It truly is the reason why that country has the leaders it has, and the quality those leaders reflect the participation. Sure, I know there are obstacles such as the Electoral College but an 80-90% turnout stops all that.
Really, with the system that exists there, the only way is to put in those needed in primaries with a huge turnout, then vote for those in the major election. If that doesn’t quite work in the primaries, vote anyway and go again. It’s the only way; the current incumbents aren’t going to offer a better system or change the way they think.
There are three things that can change this now. One is international intervention, in the sense that enough nations cut complete ties with the US. The second is that the or enough members of both houses come together to impeach. These two aren’t that likely in my view but that’s an opinion, I might be wrong.
The third, the one in the citizens hands, the easiest way out now, is to stop work, purchasing, everything…shut the means of production down. Hopefully that would put number two into play. That requires unity and a self imposed hardship that I don’t think exists in that country unfortunately.
Voting really is important.
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And will you run from the country you go to and leave it to fend for itself, too?
China is unlikely to want non-citizens fighting, Vietnam is staying neutral, Japan and Korea are going to be on the wrong side.
IG if I somehow end up in South America I’d do what I can.
Europe would probably deport me to get drafted by the guys they’re fighting like they do Russians.
I can’t think of any other places I might end up.
Bold to assume any of them want another running American.
I am in China right now. Do you think they’ll revoke my visa if Trump does some more rly dumb shit or something?
Don’t got the money for that. My best option is to fight, provided the people of my state are also willing to die for a better future.
Cool. Guess what the 2nd Amendment says?
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Find some friends and don’t go it alone in Minecraft!
What exactly is the point of a judicial warrant if the executive branch can determine when they’re unnecessary?
Nothing. And they are testing the water to see how much they can do without judges. So when they start standing outside polling booths they won’t get any government pushback.
they already arnt.
Americans, time to exercise your second amendment is nigh.
Turns out all you need is a Supreme Court majority on your side and you can wipe your ass with the Constitution.
Same as it’s always been, they’re just being more brazen about it
You don’t even need the courts of your side. The Regime has directly defied court orders time and time again.
What you really need is a citizenry that’s too afraid or complicit to defend themselves.
Too true, but I’m pretty sure courts haven’t ruled on this yet and plenty of courts have ruled for the law and constitution.
There’s a reason the memo was secret. They absolutely know how wrong it is and are not confident their rubber stamp Supreme Court will let it slide
A memo???
Ha!
A lot of these guys are going to be killed.
Oh no. Anyway…
Nothing of value will be lost.
-Both sides, but for different reasons.
Those bullets could have been used for fun evenings in the gun range, so there was some lost value
Poor innocent bullets are gonna be forced into ICE agents instead of deer-shaped steel plates. How sad.
Time for y’all to get guns then
The time for that was Jan 7, 2020.
If someone is buying a gun today and they haven’t fired one yet, they’re kinda just a loot crate.
I live alone and have every gun in the house loaded.
They are drooling at the opportunity to make their own version of Horst Wessel out of an ICE officer.
Yeah I don’t think the kirk fountain worked out as well as they’d hoped when they tried to capitalize on it.
That said, I don’t think the escalation will stop anyway, so self defense is worth it.
For anyone who will be purchasing a firearm, please, please go to a range. Practice with it. Be familiar with how it works, maintenance, and basic repairs, and store it responsibly.
At this point… go to the range daily. You’re going to be pretty shitty until you’ve had a handful of trips out there.
Especially if newer, or if you’re in your 40s+ and you suddenly recognize that you need readers - damn that really changed things for me. Tried some non-stock sights from a friend and WOW what a difference (and the truglo tfos are really, really nice fwiw)
I’m 42 with astigmatism and I can vouch for the EOTECH bs. The battery life is kinda trash but they’re great on my eyes.
Thanks, I’ll check them out!
Yup, the most likely people to get shot with a gun are the owner and the owner’s family. Gotta know what the hell you’re doing.
100%.
I’ve handled a gun from a fairly young age, taught by my grandfather, a ww2 vet. Over the years I’ve shot skeet, some shooting competitions for fun, etc.
The most dangerous people I’ve ever seen at any of those places/events were the kind of people who loved buying lots and lots of guns, especially the 2A nuts who claim its all about protecting from the tyranny of the federal government. IMO, they just wanted to feel powerful - and as a result, they were negligent and dangerous. I know one of them who shot themselves in the leg pretty recently, because they ignored the most basic rule - treat every gun as if its always loaded. Guess what? That one was! And now he has a hole in his leg.
Sorry for getting into a rant there.
Guns are horrifically dangerous and should always be treated as such.
My experience has been the polar opposite. Everyone I’ve met at ranges and competitions were very mindful and responsible people that were knowledgeable about the laws and history of the hobby. The most irresponsible gun handling I’ve ever witnessed was the one year I went to deer camp with a former coworker.
I’d say the overwhelming majority were mindful and responsible, what I commented on were the ones at those places and events that were not.
Could also be a regional thing - a few of them ive been to were in states that think the civil war was about states rights, and leave off the part about the rights being about owning people.
The one I mentioned where someone recently made an air hole in their leg is from one of those states.
Fair enough. I’ve never competed down south but having family in Georgia I’m all too familiar with the “War of Northern Aggression” types.
Yup. I’m the type of person to hit 8/10 clay pigeons and complain about wasting ammo. And the most dangerous people I’ve seen at a range are the dudes with the lifted pickups on dirt tires (which have never been in the dirt). They treat gun ownership like cosplay.
They treat gun ownership like cosplay.
Damnit, you just said it perfectly in one short phrase, and I just rambled.
That’s exactly the type I’m talking about.
I’m a big fan of clay rabbits, the random hops make it so much fun!
These guys are also the absolute worst drivers on the road too.
I thought they were using kirk for that
They tried yes. It did not work as well as they hoped.
I doubt it’s going to work any better for one of their goons.
The American delusion ™
"ICE says its officers can forcibly enter homes . . . "
I’ve got a gun that says they can’t.
Tally-ho boys!
There’s been a run on grapeshot
It will be buckshot at first. Grapeshot comes after.
THEY say they can…the law and the constitution says they can’t. Honestly, it is going to take some bad encounters for they to realize they are wrong, and when the encounters go bad, the dictator will mobilize other options he is trying to use.
It is a Rittenhouse strategy. Premeditated self-defense on a national scale.
They got more that says, “Wanna bet?” I mean, I’d want to see that, for sure. That first step is easy and obvious. It’s the second that is confusing.
As a European I am baffled the civil war has not even started yet.
Civil war = no midterm elections = Trump win.
I know, he’s also hoping for it. There is no good solution. He will just go on.
It’s crazy right? Especially since americans were so vocal about all of the amendments and chekcs and balances for decades which turned out to mean absolutely nothing.
Nobody wants to start it because the consequences would be huge and right now sitting around doing nothing is still possible.
If they decide to follow this memo and actual law enforcement do not care, sitting around doing nothing will not remain an option.
Indeed!
But doing nothing did and does validate what he is doing.
It just need someone snapping and starts shooting ICE. Then all hell will break loose. IIRC there’s some political scientists doing a simulation on how a civil war might start in modern America and it’s eerily similar to what’s been going on right now. There’s only two steps left, someone shooting ICE and then the federal government starts sending troops to take over State and clashing between federal military and the national guard.
How would you even simulate something that relies almost entirely on non-deterministic human behaviours?
They played some kind of RPG.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/jan/21/ice-minnesota-trump
