in my country every citizen is required by law to have paper that allow identification. Glad to learn im not in a free country. For thoses curious it s an european country.
Néanmoins, si vous êtes soumis à un contrôle d’identité, la procédure sera plus longue si vous ne pouvez pas présenter de pièce d’identité.
Si vous refusez ou si vous ne pouvez pas justifier votre identité, vous pouvez être retenu, sur place ou au commissariat de police, pour une vérification.
Try to wiggle your way out of it all you want. Potentially having to undergo a more difficult procedure does not equal a legal duty to have identification. Your claim
in my country every citizen is required by law to have paper that allow identification
Is simply false. It’s a lie to support your position.
So cops can just walk up and say “hey show me your papers!” and you have to comply? Lots of us have issues with that. What if you’re at a protest or some other decidedly anti-statusquo do you still have to identify yourself? What obligations do the police have? Do they have to identify themselves (name/badge) or is it enough to wear a uniform?
you can refuse, but then police can detain you. Im not aware of police having the obligation to identify themself and i never saw them doing that. As far i know them having the uniform is enough.
I mean I don’t know where you are from but at least where I live they have to identify if asked to and they can’t just detain you without cause. While cause can be pretty broad, like there was a crime in the neighborhood, it can’t be “we don’t like your face”.
Interesting, the United States is geographically very dispersed (the state of Texas is roughly the same geographic size as France) so carrying documents for internal travel makes less sense.
Thanks for contributing to the discussion, I gave you a couple upvotes to cancel out the haters (not that those matter here).
well i dont how the fact you have a bigger geographic area justify not having id ? if you mean practical i can see it but since most of you take care for naything i guess having them in the car like assurance etc ( in my country we must have a lot of paper related to the car every time we takle it) i guess it would sork out for 90% of the time.
But thanks for the upvote, even if yes it doesnt really matter. Its kinda hilarious et also sad that every time i come here i discover a world that so far from me and my conception of the world. And i feel like many ppl are so far away from like basic societal behavior. It s like how fuckcarr. They have a point but being crazy schizo online that wanna burn car its just so crazy
just to make the point it isnt extraordinry to have thoses laws.
Immigration control is tied to a lot of issue, that the direct benificiary are the citizen.
that wasnt my point. these law are the consequence of immigration because it wasnt control in the first place. i never had to decline identity in place where immigration where inexistent, but i had to in place where it was high.
That wasn’t the point you were trying to make, but it was the point you made.
Because of anti-immigration bigotry, you now have to prepare to prove your right to walk down the street. And because of anti-immigration bigotry, you’re ok with that.
i live in a country where every week somebody is aggressed, rape or murder by somebody that have the obligation to leave the country. I would totally prefer that it wasnt the case and if it was true i wouldnt be ok with that. We arent abble to control immigration because of the European Union, so we get measures like those.
Uncontrolled immigration has negative consequence.
As a kid I ran freely around the neighborhood and my family never had to worry that I had taken my identification with me. Never had to worry that it might fall out of my pocket.
tbh i fear drug traffic a lot more than police. Nasty shit happened bc of it. Police werent always nice but they never mistreat me and while i dont like being subject to those control it s not like i fear them
Wel, the migrant are literally unable to integrate society considering they come from country where you can legaly kill a maried women if she was raped. I dont want them in my society. It s not the biggot that have taught le to fear migrants, its migrant. If i had the oportunity i will 100% deport them all. Like i dont like to have to accompagne every female relative to train stattion cause we live in a fucked up country and even for a 500m walk you dont know what could happen.
Just yesterday somone that was litteraly already condamned to leave the country after being judge for crime raped a 90 year old lady. I dont want to make society with theses individual.
I don’t know why the downvotes. Yeah, this is how it works in many (most?) parts of the world, legally speaking the police can require you to show papers or get detained. In the EU it’s a bit easier because “papers” is typically either your driving license or just a small plastic card with identification info which easily fits into a wallet or a phone case. E.g. in Russia you are required to always carry an A6-sized paper “passport book” (!) which contains a lot of info about you (name, place of birth, place of permanent residence, place of temporary residence, marital status, children, etc) and present it to the police when asked.
If the definition of a free country is “police can’t force you to present a valid ID while in a public place” then I doubt there are many “free countries” on earth at all.
I agree that it’s kinda dumb and it sucks, IMO the police should have at the very least a reasonable suspicion of some criminal activity in order to arrest you, but it’s not unique to the US.
here they are lenient with it. A picture on your phone is enough and you also have gouvernement app that can be use. I dont feel like my freedom is impeach because of it
IMO the police should have at the very least a reasonable suspicion of some criminal activity in order to arrest you
IMO the police should have at the very least a reasonable suspicion of some criminal activity in order to even ask you to identify yourself, let alone arrest you.
in my country every citizen is required by law to have paper that allow identification. Glad to learn im not in a free country. For thoses curious it s an european country.
Not even true lol
https://www.service-public.gouv.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F11601
Bigmouth is happy to fit the whole boot in their mouth
bro didnt even read the second ligne
Néanmoins, si vous êtes soumis à un contrôle d’identité, la procédure sera plus longue si vous ne pouvez pas présenter de pièce d’identité.
Si vous refusez ou si vous ne pouvez pas justifier votre identité, vous pouvez être retenu, sur place ou au commissariat de police, pour une vérification.
Try to wiggle your way out of it all you want. Potentially having to undergo a more difficult procedure does not equal a legal duty to have identification. Your claim
Is simply false. It’s a lie to support your position.
so tell me what hapen if police control me and i can’t proove my identity (cause i dont have my paper on me) ?
As you cited, your identity will be established at the station. Just admit to your lie instead of trying weird distraction tactics.
so you get detained by the police. Thank you
Just saying “thank you” like you had a good gotcha moment, doesn’t change the situation here. You got caught in a lie and you have no point.
if you can’t decline your identity the police can detain you Right or wrong ?
i dont know what lie you r talking about
Do you have to identify yourself/show your papers on-demand?
yes, specially to police officers. If i dont have them i can be detain in a police station the time they proceed to my identification
So cops can just walk up and say “hey show me your papers!” and you have to comply? Lots of us have issues with that. What if you’re at a protest or some other decidedly anti-statusquo do you still have to identify yourself? What obligations do the police have? Do they have to identify themselves (name/badge) or is it enough to wear a uniform?
you can refuse, but then police can detain you. Im not aware of police having the obligation to identify themself and i never saw them doing that. As far i know them having the uniform is enough.
I mean I don’t know where you are from but at least where I live they have to identify if asked to and they can’t just detain you without cause. While cause can be pretty broad, like there was a crime in the neighborhood, it can’t be “we don’t like your face”.
In france. Cause can be you dont present an id.
Interesting, the United States is geographically very dispersed (the state of Texas is roughly the same geographic size as France) so carrying documents for internal travel makes less sense.
Thanks for contributing to the discussion, I gave you a couple upvotes to cancel out the haters (not that those matter here).
well i dont how the fact you have a bigger geographic area justify not having id ? if you mean practical i can see it but since most of you take care for naything i guess having them in the car like assurance etc ( in my country we must have a lot of paper related to the car every time we takle it) i guess it would sork out for 90% of the time. But thanks for the upvote, even if yes it doesnt really matter. Its kinda hilarious et also sad that every time i come here i discover a world that so far from me and my conception of the world. And i feel like many ppl are so far away from like basic societal behavior. It s like how fuckcarr. They have a point but being crazy schizo online that wanna burn car its just so crazy
You are talking rights and reason now!?!
Only force matters here. How to starve them, drain them, terrorize them, and if needed…kill them.
What kind of documentation and what country?
id and france
Do you require those papers walking down the sidewalk? Do children need those papers when running around outside doing kid things?
yes in some case. https://www.service-public.gouv.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F1036
You will see that there is a mention of shengen, this is directly tied to immigration
“this is directly tied to immigration”
I don’t see why that makes things better, just shows that the source of the lost freedom is bigotry and hate.
just to make the point it isnt extraordinry to have thoses laws. Immigration control is tied to a lot of issue, that the direct benificiary are the citizen.
Yes, right wing bigotry is everywhere.
Cheering the loss of your freedom because you hate immigrants is pathetic.
that wasnt my point. these law are the consequence of immigration because it wasnt control in the first place. i never had to decline identity in place where immigration where inexistent, but i had to in place where it was high.
That wasn’t the point you were trying to make, but it was the point you made.
Because of anti-immigration bigotry, you now have to prepare to prove your right to walk down the street. And because of anti-immigration bigotry, you’re ok with that.
i live in a country where every week somebody is aggressed, rape or murder by somebody that have the obligation to leave the country. I would totally prefer that it wasnt the case and if it was true i wouldnt be ok with that. We arent abble to control immigration because of the European Union, so we get measures like those. Uncontrolled immigration has negative consequence.
I’m sorry. That’s very sad.
As a kid I ran freely around the neighborhood and my family never had to worry that I had taken my identification with me. Never had to worry that it might fall out of my pocket.
same, until i got to a city where drug traffic was high and i got controll a lot where before it never happened to me
I’m sorry your kids have to fear police now. Maybe you should speak up to your government to change things rather than just lick the boot.
tbh i fear drug traffic a lot more than police. Nasty shit happened bc of it. Police werent always nice but they never mistreat me and while i dont like being subject to those control it s not like i fear them
But the bigots have taught you to fear the immigrants even more, I guess. Because “papers please” does nothing to solve the drug problem.
I hope you escape this bigotry, and learn to be a better person.
Then demand your government make the police treat you like a person
Wel, the migrant are literally unable to integrate society considering they come from country where you can legaly kill a maried women if she was raped. I dont want them in my society. It s not the biggot that have taught le to fear migrants, its migrant. If i had the oportunity i will 100% deport them all. Like i dont like to have to accompagne every female relative to train stattion cause we live in a fucked up country and even for a 500m walk you dont know what could happen. Just yesterday somone that was litteraly already condamned to leave the country after being judge for crime raped a 90 year old lady. I dont want to make society with theses individual.
I don’t know why the downvotes. Yeah, this is how it works in many (most?) parts of the world, legally speaking the police can require you to show papers or get detained. In the EU it’s a bit easier because “papers” is typically either your driving license or just a small plastic card with identification info which easily fits into a wallet or a phone case. E.g. in Russia you are required to always carry an A6-sized paper “passport book” (!) which contains a lot of info about you (name, place of birth, place of permanent residence, place of temporary residence, marital status, children, etc) and present it to the police when asked.
If the definition of a free country is “police can’t force you to present a valid ID while in a public place” then I doubt there are many “free countries” on earth at all.
I agree that it’s kinda dumb and it sucks, IMO the police should have at the very least a reasonable suspicion of some criminal activity in order to arrest you, but it’s not unique to the US.
here they are lenient with it. A picture on your phone is enough and you also have gouvernement app that can be use. I dont feel like my freedom is impeach because of it
IMO the police should have at the very least a reasonable suspicion of some criminal activity in order to even ask you to identify yourself, let alone arrest you.