Fuck FElon.
This is not about Elon Musk or Tesla. The Chinese government has heavily subsidized EVs and related industries. They have to. Their dependence on oil is their greatest strategic weakness.
The US has backed off EV subsidies and continues to subsidize oil. See US actions in Venezuela.
You’re not wrong but dependence on oil is basically every country’s strategic weakness.
That is a fair point. China in particular is extraordinarily vulnerable due to how easy it is to cut off oil imports. China’s oil imports have to pass through the Strait of Malacca, a narrow corridor that is easily blocked.
He got checkmated.
Crazy that he sounds like a normal human here
Hadn’t begun the spiral into ket, it appears. Aw.
He was born in a spiral. He tried to rename PayPal “x” then tried to name several children “x” until he finally found a place that would allow it.
Those were the days, when Musk still had a “will they, won’t they” relationship with being a total piece of shit. Then it turns out they were together all along.
I feel like this should be the plot for some Chuck Tingle erotica.
Worst part is … he’s still right according to the stock. That’s just madness.
“Have you seen their car?”
I’ve never sat in a tesla that didnt have an annoying plastic creak. Either when going over the road, or if you dare rest your arm on the door.
…and Tesla’s stock price would hit record highs!
There’s currently a debate in Canada if we should allow Chinese EVs, honestly everything else is already made in china, and fears of spying? I trust the Americans even less, and they’re definitely spying on us
I’ve heard people debating the feaseability of either removing the camera cluster aboard these cars and remove or disable the wifi module.
Yes, that should be done in order to pass national certification and thus before allowing importation. Having cameras is fine when used in a closed loop, streaming data away from the car though, that’s different.
If overall visibility was improved, the argument for onboard cameras would be half dead. If the concern is clearance for objects, apply proximity sensors, by owner request and option and preferably by aftermarket kits.
Telemetry can burn in a trash can.
TBF BYD is being sold all around the world and tesla is mostly american and maybe sells a bit in europe
Selling much less in Europe since the Nazi salute
The average American truly doesn’t know just how much their entire market is already artificially forced to keep out better options simply because they aren’t American or aligned with American gov interests.
The result is we get objectively shittier stuff than the rest of the world. Huawei being banned in the US is a perfect example of this. The gov claims they ban this shit to stop Chinese infiltration, but the reality is its to eliminate competition for American and American aligned billionaires.
I just learned headlight technology in new European cars is insane. Literally selectively blocks out light to incoming cars. So you can see the road at night and not blind people.
My 2015MY has that as an option. It’s slick. I didn’t know it was available when I bought used but it’s a (€2500) DIY retrofit.
It’s not an European exclusive, I once rented a Mazda CX30 that did that
It’s not something that’s been allowed in the US until very recently. Auto on/off high beams have been a thing for decades, but the selective dimming/“tunneling” only just recently became legal within the past couple of years in the US.
Huawei is a bad example of a good point. Huawei working on anything related to US infrastructure would be a disaster. Consumer goods maybe not so bad but that whole thing started because of B2B
A disaster for whom?
It’s bit of both. I still wouldn’t trust Chinese tech. Huawei tech is involved in surveiling the African Union headquarters.. This not to minimise US’ own corruption and digital imperialism, although I think the EU is in the right step to use open source software to replace American tech.
All tech is used as such. You think Apple and Microsoft and Android aren’t selling your data to the government? Hmmm…
All tech is used as such. You think Apple and Microsoft and Android aren’t …
At least “All popular consumer tech …” then, because there are alternatives already.
Amazon literally allows police and ICE access to your Ring camera and Alexa recordings at will. They don’t even have to make a request, Amazon built an app so they can have access to any of it immediately.
That’s what I said basically. US is doing its own digital imperialism. The difference is that the US government outsourced the Orwellian surveillance to techbros.
That’s just a difference in government philosophy though. China owns most endeavours in its country, the USA outsources it to private enterprise and buys it back.
I would trust China before Elon fucking Musk.
Just because US is going on temper tantrum it doesn’t mean people have to forget that China is doing its own Orwellian surveillance.
An acceptable price for living under a government that actually controls its capitalist billionaires rather than being controlled by them.
And it’s not like China’s surveillance is any more Orwellian than the West’s. They just do it more openly.
It’s pretty bad everywhere but people don’t realize the level of surveillance in China is on a whole other fucking level.
Huawei’s sin was making too good cellphone. I owned one right before US decided to ban Google Android from it. It was awesome phone.
It’s not just that they don’t know. They’re willfully ignorant. People have some kind of consumer brainrot. I was talking to someone last week about how it’d be better to keep their older perfectly functional tools because the newer ones have been getting enshittified for decades. His only answer was like “well I can just replace them in if they break” which didn’t even address what I was talking about really.
“But it got electrolytes. That’s what plants crave”
They keep out other options so that they can support American businesses that don’t exploit cheap/slave labor.
Dude. The majority of “made in america” is prison labour
LOL gonna need a source for that one buddy
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I have all types of devices I can use to type into a search engine. They don’t make information instantly appear in front of me.
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This does not say “the majority of ‘made in America’ prison labor” or anything similar.
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A bit of column a, bit of column b. Ban Huawei, but Cisco is made in China too so the data risk is still there.
Then blame TP-Link, right?
Who would have guessed the moron with no real education, knowledge or experience in any profession, whose companies barely make it despite all the unfair advantages you can think of, is clueless just like he has been every day for the last 54 years of his life.
Mulon Esk is a complete idiot.
Yup. He cosplays a smart man. By buying smart ideas and pretending they are his. And then wrecking them. He’s as smart a man as trump is a good business man.
Tesla is a zombie company, it’s already dead, and it will never come back. It will be bankrupt in 2 years.
I give it 10. But yes. I agree.
Tesla sales declined in 2024 and 2025. The decline in 2024 was small, but the decline in 2025 was almost 10% YoY.
And I honestly believe the salary and working conditions at BYD are better than at Tesla.
You mean compared to 996? Actually yes probably. Compared to forced labor though, I wouldn’t go that far.
Wrong time to be of Uyghur heritage
