says the guy who’s party literally just voted to fund these known murders.

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    No fucking shit. Do something. Minnesota is entirely working within our communities and expect nothing from our governments. If I had the option, I would opt out of America at this point. Imagine if MN didn’t have to pay federal taxes, that’d be great.

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    I’ll believe it when I see it. The current Democrat leadership is nothing but a bunch of flip-flopping pussies.

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      It goes beyond flip-flopping. It looks like a party of calculated self-sabotage. It appears Schumer organizes votes to ensure there are just enough dissenters that he and others can pretend to want the right thing but hey, what can they do, unfortunately they just didn’t get enough votes. Every time. All that changes is who they pick to be on dissent duty.

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      You’ll see it for about a week before some Democrats “care about the American people’s* suffering” and vote with their Republican party to fund more ICE murders and the leadership go “well at least we tried”.

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    We need a third Socialist Party that appeals to everyone regardless of where they stand in the spectrum (and uses euphemisms because Red Scare and all).

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    Schiff: it’s not just GOP members who will see more Americans die. Is this comeback really the extent of what you’re willing to do? The people you’re berating this way see this as a feature, not a flaw. They have no issues with the “wrong type” of American dying like this.

    Maybe refuse to caucus with anyone who doesn’t support your NEW bill removing the funding granted by the one YOU JUST SUPPORTED?

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        Well, assuming the midterms happen and are actually free of interference, neither of which is necessarily a given.

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          I think we have far better chances than they want you to believe. We aren’t a single, small nation with one vote. We are 50 separate countries basically. “State” doesn’t mean subservient to a greater power, it means State. States have a lot of power and independence if they choose, and the administration would have to not just rig one election, they would have to rig 50, and that’s a HUGE task with massive chances of being caught.

          But they will likely seed the public discourse with the suspicion that they will cheat, this will discourage some amount of people from voting at all. This might be all they have.

          It’s not impossible for them to cheat, they very well might, they have a LOT of money to do so, but the question they need to ask is if they feel confident enough with the consequences and stability post-cheat when it inevitably comes out and nothing in the country changes and people get more and more angry.

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            They don’t have to rig 50. They just need a middleman.

            Also, there’s points where all those votes converge so if they want to disrupt it, they don’t disrupt the voting. They disrupt it at the end.

            So last election, they pulled all of the volunteers that weren’t republican out of my area. What we’re supposed to do is audit. So basically a republican a democrat and an independent would bring those votes at the end of the day to the county elections office. They stopped us from doing that this last election. They only allowed Republicans to do it. We could not audit them.

            I’m an independent. They would not allow me to audit the fucking election as we have done every single year since I’ve been allowed to vote.

            I have been consistently the youngest person to ever be volunteering and I’m not young. It was so bad the last election we couldn’t find a good bit of people that weren’t republican that were willing to put their time in for this.

            So when I tell you, the people have failed themselves, this is why. They are lazy they took advantage of democracy. They don’t fucking do shit. So yes I’m going to fucking tell you. It’s easy to steal it from all 50 states when no one‘s fucking volunteering to audit And they cheated us out of the opportunity to do it when we are actually there.

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              I’m hearing a call for more audit volunteers, and I’ll lead that charge in my own community. I hope others reading this also take up metaphorical arms and get out and volunteer.

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              Yeah this was exactly my point. There’s so many ways to disrupt elections in the US. In addition to what you mentioned, there’s also eg. tampering with voting machines (older hack but I doubt the current situation has vastly improved), or tampering with voter rolls.

              This is not to say that the midterms will definitely not be free, but that y’all need to be extremely vigilant

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      Yeah I was about to make this exact same comment. They want to see people suffer and die, that’s why they’re allowing all this to happen.

      People need to stop pretending that the murders are some unfortunate side product

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    I’d love to see a Democratic DOGE that focused on shit like ICE.

    I’d love for them to sit there with smarmy fuck-you smiles and keep repeating that they are just going after “real waste, fraud and abuse” with a scripted set of talking points as they dismantle things like ICE.

    Part of the script would be to point out that the cuts the conservatives made under their fake “doge” were only harming and killing people, and didn’t really save any money at all. The liberal DOGE aims to get rid of “waste, fraud and abuse” that is actively harmful.

    Those assholes that sat there and smiled the biggest of shit-eating grins knew full well that they were actively trolling everyone that was not a stupid redcap when they kept repeating “waste, fraud and abuse” “waste, fraud and abuse” like good little parrots. I’d love to see that thrown right back in their face as the things that get them so hard like the terrorists that are known as ICE are just disbanded.

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    Democratic Congressmen are all pussies. Have a spine. I know they won’t because they’re complicit.

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      He’s a senator now. Still he doesn’t inspire me. He needs to stop accepting AIPAC, stop working for the donor class, start representing California values.

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        “Congressman” is a generic term that covers people in both houses of Congress.

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          Huh, I usually call house of reps Congress members and refer to senators as senator.

          Also since Schiff only recently ascended from the house of reps to the Senate, wanted to clarify his current role.

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            Most people do the same. While it is technically correct that congressman applies to both houses, it’s generally understood that if you’re referring to a member of the senate they’re referred to as a senator rather than as a congressman and that therefore if you say “congressman” you’re implicitly not referring to a member of the senate but a member of the house of representatives.

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              Where? Not the education I got! That was NEVER the case. I think this is stupid people using language wrong and the rest of us going along with it for no good reason at all.

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          It is infuriating to see how many people think the legislative branch is divided into Senate and Congress. Or worse, how many people think the 3 branches of government are “the President, Congress, and Senate.”

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            That’s why Trump loves the poorly educated. America has the dumbest, least informed general public in any first world country, I really believe that.

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              It’s getting to a point where we can’t have a democracy if these people are a part of it, though.

              Like if you won’t do your civic duty then… you shouldn’t matter. You enslave yourself with that thinking.

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          This weird correction over Congress is the weirdest bit of brain rot I’ve ever seen. I keep seeing this. Did people go to school?! Congress is the house and the senate!

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    He may vote no but Schumer will round up enough votes for it to pass. And the rest will stand back claiming they did their best. The entire party is complicit

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      Pretty much. He’ll conspire with the party to find those safe seat Republican-lite assholes and get them to “break” and pass the funding and then go “Welp I and the Democrats tried!”, just like last time with the ACA subsidies and every other time since I’ve been alive and voting for Democrats.

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    The moment the current regime ends, ICE needs to be disbanded, and people has to be held accountable.

    There needs to be a completely new organization for dealing with immigration, this one has been and continues to be rolling in shit so deep you can’t get the stink out.

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      ICE and DHS both need to be disbanded, they’re useless organizations whose function can be met equally or better by other groups. DHS has always been a sad joke of an agency, let the FBI/CIA, federal marshals or state troops handle that stuff. Likewise ICE has no need to exist, anything they do can just as easily be handled by some other law enforcement agency.

      Worst case scenario they create a new agency with no law enforcement powers to handle immigration paperwork. Make them a pure bureaucracy that only exists to file reports and help people go through the immigration process. If someone over stays their visa then the immigration bureau can refer that person to traditional LEOs at the state or federal level. There’s no reason at all why they need a dedicated law enforcement agency purely for immigrants.

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        It’s good to remember that DHS was invented as a response to 9/11 during all the rush to “Keep us Safe from Terrorists” when we lost a lot of freedom and privacy. We were doing just fine without them before.

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      Unless we somehow miraculously manage to throw every single one of them into prison. Disbanding ICE and making a new organization just means these fuckers are going to be recycled and rebranded. Nothing will change.