• Kindness is Punk@lemmy.ca
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    That’s a charitable take but when people say they support Donald Trump because he “threatens US hegemony” while not acknowledging:

    • the very real suffering of innocent civilians
    • the threat he poses to Canada and Greenland
    • they are a nuclear super power
    • the normalizing influence this has had on far right policy and indeed advanced it in much of the world

    It makes it ring very hollow. Because if your goal was to replace it with technofuedalism we’re on track.

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      Things generally get worse with every election, especially when Republicans win, but just because ICE didn’t boast about its terror under Democrats it doesn’t mean people weren’t kidnapped, even children. ICE funding increased constantly even under Democrats.

      Economic sanctions imposed by the US kill over half a million a year. Do our deaths count less because we’re abroad? Your government has been terrorizing the global south ever since it was capable of it. I know people who lost relatives under the last US backed dictatorship in Argentina. My grandparents lost several friends, disappeared, taken away.

      We don’t have the patience to treat all of you with silk gloves. But no, the vast majority of us don’t desire your civilian population to be terrorized, we don’t want more war, we want you out of our countries so we can organize and develop and be sovereign. And believe it or not, terrorizing us is and has always been bipartisan.

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        I understand that FPTP forces them into a lesser evil dichotomy that makes progress incremental and back sliding torrential. A flaw that’s also getting exploited in Canada.

        I’m no fan of their foreign policy either and it seems for the post part we agree then. My apologies for the misunderstanding.

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      People don’t support Trump “because he threatens US Hegemony.” Celebrating the decline in hegemony is not the same as supporting Trump or the damage the empire deals.

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        Means to an end, got it. So be it, If things end up as bad as you seem to predict I hope you can rebuild something from the smoldering ashes. I’ll still try my hand at organized resistance.

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          No? I do org work IRL for the purpose of establishing socialism. Being happy that the empire is losing its iron grip on the world doesn’t mean I try to make things worse to do so.

          It’s like you’re intentionally taking the most bad-faith reading possible.

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            You’re right I conflated your opinions with those I have argued with the past on ML and for that I apologize.

            However, If you think this ends when America dies that’s wishful thinking, the oligarchy is as comfortable in Russia, India or Brazil as it is in America and they seem to be shifting as they see the writing on the wall.

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              None of those 3 countries have the finance capital required to replace the US Empire. What makes the US Empire unique is its total hegemony. Europe comes close financially, but doesn’t have the hard power to keep that going when the US Empire falls.

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                That wouldn’t be true for long when they migrate their capital as we’ve seen already happening with recent market ripples.

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                    I think it could, look how rapidly China industrialized, how rapidly India industrialized, when given a centralized power structure and lack of regulations It’s been shown to be possible. Now it wouldn’t happen overnight which is why I believe it’s already underway and why they’re investing so heavily in destabilizing Germany, The UK and India.

                    I believe by migrating their capital to European defense contractors and advancing far right policy they are readying an escape hatch