You can’t touch a single police officer without them throwing a hissy fit and shutting everything down.
When I talk to people they seem most upset that unions don’t work for them. They feel a part of something so large that it doesn’t care about them.
When workers unions are in arms, they are very effective too
i dont think police unions count, they are gang/mafia that can browbeat a city to giving what it wants(they can refuse to actual do anything about specific crimes if they so chose), its fully supported by the gop and dnc, because they can use to keep the general population at arms length. it was discussed many times on subs, how they arnt like voted on or have grassroots upbringing.
This can be countered by having non local cops in the mix, having frequent transfers of cops.
Yes these can be seen as union busting.
Unions are good and they work. But just as any good things in excess it becomes poison.
People aren’t opposed to unions because they think unions aren’t powerful, they’re opposed to unions because they’re powerful.
It is the rich and powerful who are opposed, the public is just afraid and brainwashed out of their own power.
That’s not true though. I’ve talked to plenty of working class people who hate unions and hate dealing with union workers due to perceived laziness, bad work ethic, and the inability to fire bad workers.
Also plenty of unions are full of rich and powerful people: pilots unions, doctors unions, actors unions, sports athletes unions.
What other unions protect their members from murder charges?
HMMMM, I wonder why police unions were allowed to exist, but all the others were decimated and neutered?
interesting. In some place and time, they won’t. And cops were not allow to vote too.
Wow. That’s insane.
Especially the police unions in Massachusetts, where they have a stranglehold on public works. Need to dig up a sidewalk to repair a water main? That’ll require a 2 person police detail for a minimum of 6 hours, and it’s all overtime pay.
Bet you can’t find civilian flagged anywhere in the state.
People parroting this are falling for the capitalist propaganda. Unions work so well that the ruling class has employed a mass campaign against unions. That isn’t weakness.
We the working class keep our society running, we can shut our society down, and this scares the shit out of the ruling classes who while wealthy in assets, are weak in number.
And they only got there by striking and work actions because the nature of their positions gave them the leverage needed to be effective. The NYPD can’t ship the factory to another country or bring in immigrant labour to do policing. If they aren’t policing, property rights won’t be enforced for businesses. Leverage. The police are the mechanism that break labour strikes and protests on behalf of capital. There is no such mechanism to break a police strike or protest, except the feds or the military which won’t be used.
Most labour jobs do not have this kind of leverage because technology shrank the world and business has negotiated trade deal that give them the freedom to undermine worker leverage. Workers have no leverage to force capitulation. Labour has long lost any control they had to influence business practices and fight for themselves. Labour actions would have to be across the entire company to effectively force capitulation and that is next to impossible because labour ain’t a community anymore thanks to anti-commie fear mongering. Every union is isolated, every location is separated, every company the corporate owns is independent from each other. Labour is too divided to stand united and united is the only way it effectively works. A group can’t fight individual power with individual power, it must fight with collective power and for that, it needs to be united first.
The only issue with Unions is a corporate system that has spent decades on a campaign of misinformation and vilification.
Never forget that its unions that gave you a five day work week, 8 hour days, and child labour laws.
Nothing is given by a corporation out of the kindness of their heart. And nothing makes them more gleeful than listening to people repeat their anti-union screed.
Union doesn’t work because there is so much competition in my country that anybody going out of line will be replaced
This is exactly what unions are meant to prevent, hire and fire.
They can’t prevent it,if they can’t be even functionally formed.
That’s exactly why a union will work.
I guess if you work at a company where they could replace 100% of the staff without losing money, then yeah, a union wouldn’t work.
Are you going to argue that police unions are a net good? They are the reason we have impenetrable qualifed immunity for even ridiculously egregious misconduct and any time a cop is shown to actually go over the absurdly strict line of what they can be held legally accountable for, the unions protect them at all costs. The reason criminal cops can just get hired at any other PD and their past is covered up/ignored is the police unions. I’m not saying they don’t do good things, but the bad they do is way too much to overlook.
With the legal authority police have, they need to be held to higher standards than the average person, instead the unions voraciously fight to ensure there are virtually zero standards for police conduct.
There’s very clearly no indication that they are implying police unions are good, they’re implying they are effective. Which is inarguable.
they have cities by the stranglehold, got crime, cant have that and need to pay police, got Rich persons property, IP under threat they need them too.
Unions aren’t possible at my company.
1/3 speaks Spanish, 1/3 speaks some African dialect only they understand, and the other 1/3 speak english, and the entire culture aims eachother’s hate at eachother.
This is America.
Ashley Furniture btw. Full on bodyslam under the bus.
This is how immigration is used to divide the workers.
Wish you the best.
As for Ashley furniture… garbage and overpriced furniture. Never again.
Aren’t they the new wayfair?
Wayfair is based in my city and notorious for treating their employees like absolute crap and doing the ‘up or out’ business model that only rewards people who work 80hour weeks
All unions should carry guns and exercise lethal force on a daily basis.
There is no need for violence, government fears organized populace. That is enough.
