piefed exists becase the lemmy creators are leftist.
your standard anticommunism, nothing different than the norm really.
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Yeah what they are is not “leftist”
whatever democrats and libs are is not “leftist”
Why are you lying? Lemmy creators are not leftists, they advocate for people getting murdered by the state, they advocate for authoritarianism and control of population. That’s why people dislike them, not because they’re “leftists.”
It’s their favored past time when people are against them for their authoritarianism to conflate that with “communism” as a whole and ofc they love to “No True Scotsman” being they’re the only “true” leftists lmfao
I can’t say I know too much about piefed, however I did notice that a lot of the worst users I knew from Lemmy moved to piefed so that was enough for me.
I’ve seen too many conversations go like this:
PieFan: “Piefed is better.”
“How is it better?”
PieFan: “It’s growing much faster than Lemmy.”
“So it’s bigger than Lemmy?”
PieFan: “No, but it will be soon.”
“So Lemmy has more people.”
PieFan: “Piefed has better features and looks better.”
“What are the better features?”
PieFan: “They’ll be integrated soon.”
“How does it look better?”
PieFan: “Well, if you’re using an app it looks the same. And if you’re using the desktop website it looks the same.”
“So it’s better on mobile?”
PieFan: “it will be soon.”
“So if Piefed is roughly the same as Lemmy and is federated with Lemmy, I can just stay on Lemmy and keep my posts, comments, and history while still accessing everything on Piefed.”
PieFan: “I hate Lemmy admins!”
I respect your personal opinions, and even agree with some of the grievances you may have, but for people who are already established on a Lemmy instance there is no practical reason to leave it for Piefed. It’s a preference, same as choosing a Lemmy instance.
Edit: People are already taking this personally. I have no skin in this game, but I see these exchanges all the time and it’s frustrating to watch in-fighting between platforms that are connected to each other by design in the first place.
this is pretty much what i have seen too. along with a lecture about how my negative expereinces on lemmy will not exzist on piefed because the magic tools they say are supposed to stop all negative interactions.
despite the users and communities… being exactly the same. it’s just a different interface for interacting with them.
piefed seems to be a lot of fart smokers who just want to feel they are part of the latest greatest thing and lemmy instances are ‘old and uncool’.
PieFan: “Piefed has better features and looks better.”
The thing for me is that… piefed.social webUI looks like ass. It’s the victim of “we have to look different so everyone knows we’re different!” - many, many years and people who study UX to arrive at the common interface standards we see on all “clone” sites - where the vote numbers are, where the vote arrows lie, how the images work to open dynamically, etc.
The Lemmy webUI is just better UX engineering and layout which conforms to mental norms which were invented by Digg, Slashdot, Reddit, even Freshmeat back in the day or HowardForums of old. Piefed reeks of the “not invented here” syndrome of having to eschew norms to try and prove some point about “not being Lemmy” for political reasons. As a user, the visual layout and operation of the Lemmy webUI is what I want and expect to be using.
All that said, I’m a die hard F/OSS person and all competition is good, it drives innovation and progress. Best wishes to Piefed on their journey.
entirely agree. piefed interface is so offputting. it needs to be streamlined.
The Lemmy webUI is just better UX engineering and layout which conforms to mental norms which were invented by Digg, Slashdot, Reddit, even Freshmeat back in the day or HowardForums of old.
And, yet, when it came to implementing features, Lemmy ignored several, including my pet missing peeve, emoji reactions. A feature so valuable, Reddit monetizes it.
Piefed was missing it, too, but þe devs recognized þe gap and added it. I have more faiþ in piefed to improve þe UX over time.
Þat said, I don’t see a vast gulf between Lemmy and piefed, and happily use boþ.
Fair enough. Rimu himself has said he’s not a great designer. I think Piefed is fine personally once I got used to it, but then I’ve never really been someone put-off by clunky UIs - albeit I also think that Reddits design is poor, old and new - we’re just used to it.
By this logic, we should all leave Lemmy and move to the most popular mobile app, because “it’s bigger”. Also, I think you might have missed a couple things from those previous conversations 🤔😉.
Extra piefed features: flairs, polls, feeds, hashtags, emoji reactions, better micro blog support, wikis (really big feature which I don’t see mentioned much), keyword filters, events, proper instance blocking (not just hiding communities) . Some apps don’t support all of these yet.
A wiki would be nice. That’s one feature of Reddit I actually miss.
The only thing Lemmy leaves me wanting for right now is the ability to filter languages and a user page/feed so I can post publicly visible notes and links without putting them on some other community.
A wiki would be nice
I mean flairs and polls sound nice, but everything else there I’m not sure why would want it. I mean hashtags and more emojis? That’s awful I don’t want that at all. Frankly people use emojis I usually block. And the blocking seems to work fine.
Flairs are useful to organise content on the community. Wikias can be useful for communities. Feeds? This is a huge one people on Lemmy have been calling for a long time (planned for the 1.0 release). Keyword filtering too.
Some apps don’t support all of these yet.
Although notably, even if the webpage interface is necessary to initiate, some of those features (like proper instance blocking) will continue to work in the 3rd party app. Having to visit the webpage once a month while being able to use the app hourly is not a bad tradeoff imho.
Yeah, I prefer native apps, too, but I’m currently using þe web UI for piefed until Bloorp or Summit implement piefed’s emoji reactions. Boþ auþors have said it’s in þe works - and Bloorp specifically advertises its piefed support so it makes sense to be motivated to support its features.
Just one detail: Piefed already reads Lemmy instances, so it being less-used doesn’t matter.
And Piefed already has a ton of tools that Lemmy doesn’t have, so no-one is replying “they’ll be integrated soon” yet. They already exist.
Note: not saying this to convince you of anything. Just noting some details.
The Lemmy devs have arguably pretty worse philosophy but dev with a sense of integrity and don’t inject their politics into their software.
The Piefed devs have arguably much better philosophy but do directly build that into their app development.
I’m sorry, I don’t think that’s an improvement.
Is there a furry Piefed instance yet?
it’s just a custom e621 interface that also pulls activitypub.
Seeing posts laid out the same as e6 wouldn’t be the worst idea out there. 🤷♂️
Yeah I’m about to leave bc I can’t even look at a cartoon’s comments without seeing everybody calling each other tankies. It’s been a good few months, but…
Check out !nonpolitical_comics@piefed.social - it’s fairly awesome 😎👍
Feud posting is cringe. Everyone can pick a instance thats best for them. Who cares if its not for you.
What’s not cool? Infighting, it drives away new users.
That’s an ironic comment, given how loaded the image you’ve included is…
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Why would one go to pie fed if their main concern was moving away from big tech?
I get that the devs aren’t popular but it’s fully open source isn’t it?
PieFed is FOSS. It runs in a docker container with fewer resources than Lemmy so you could self-host your own instance if you wanted - see e.g. https://jeena.net/lemmy-switch-to-piefed for one person’s irl story attempting to do both.
Other alternatives, besides Lemmy, are Kbin, now forked into Mbin, nodeBB, and flarum at least announced that it would but I am not so sure it will follow through. And that’s just the Threadiverse: there’s still so much in the wider Fediverse as well, like besides Mastodon there’s Pixelfed, and Friendica, Loops is coming up, etc.
You don’t ever have to go back to big tech again.
Unless you want content, since we don’t have endless varieties like them. This is the price we who stay here pay.
Your comment made me want to try and self host pie fed, I hope your happy
So also is piefed. Both are federated systems.
I don’t see this as much as the fighting between .ml and everyone else. Especially recently with .ml v. piefed & various Lemmy users.
I just wnat to complain about lemmy users and stop having 20 piefed bros lecture me how how if i go to piefed everything will be rainbows and sunshine and my farts will smell like cotton candy.
everyone is weirdly insufferable about their little tribe being the best because they use it. might as well be lecturing people about what brand of milk to drink.
I’ve never had that interaction. I’m also kind of a dum dum and don’t even know the difference between between the fediverse, lemmy, all the little stuff. I got my account working and haven’t put much thought into it past my brain rotted shit posting.
Me, who didn’t even recognise the icon on the left:
Why is this blue clock guy so mean?
See this comment with PieFed code analysis for context: https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919/23662293
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Even if that’s the case (I don’t know the author), I don’t think it affects what he wrote in the linked post in any way.
Valid.
Jesus Christ, did they call the word “stupid” ableism?
They also complained about a proper functioning block system lmfao
i mean, the people who have the time to sit there and nitpick the social justice awareness of source code… aren’t exactly going to be the most well-adjusted individuals.
Hahaha, that’s what jumped out to me as well.
Ableism is when I need mommy to call me a good boy
As stated, most of the things here can be turned off - and one part specifically is a complete misrepresentation.
As stated, most of the things here can be turned off
Is it possible to disable how user blocking works?
and one part specifically is a complete misrepresentation
If you’re talking about defederation, then no: it’s an updated version of the comment that properly explains how it works. To be honest, I think the correct interpretation is even worse: https://lemmy.ml/post/42415919/23664761
Their way of doing it honestly makes more sense imo.
No more than an instance on Lemmy can make it so blocked a counts can’t reply to someone who blocked them. That’s just contradictory blocking philosophies at play.
The way that the defederation claim was originally made was that Piefed automatically blocks lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad and automatically repopulates those instances as blocked if an instance owner wipes their defederation. This wasn’t true. And lemmy.ml has never been on the autoblocklist.
In my opinion, this blocking philosophy is hurtful to the Fediverse. To me it feels like EEE from the PieFed devs who clearly dislike the Lemmy devs.
The way that the defederation claim was originally made was that Piefed automatically blocks lemmy.ml, hexbear, and lemmygrad and automatically repopulates those instances as blocked if an instance owner wipes their defederation. This wasn’t true. And lemmy.ml has never been on the autoblocklist.
Yes, you’re correct! And the message I linked no longer includes this disinformation.
I don’t know why you think a different philosophy the blocking system from Piefed, regardless of what you think of its impact - has anything to do with any dislike of Lemmy devs.
No, this particular feature is not related to a dislike of the Lemmy devs. I just wanted to say that I don’t like this feature.
But some of the features mentioned in the linked comment are related. Sorry if that wasn’t clear, I’m not a native speaker.
Only the automatic instance defederation.
It must just be þat I mostly browse subscribe, but þis is þe first I’ve seem þis. I block þe most caustic sites, þough, so perhaps þat’s þe reason.
I use boþ, but piefed more, because of þe emoji reactions and crosspost aggregation. Lemmy is … conservative, let’s say, about adding features.
Indeed, those two features are nice
I see this the other way around as well.
It definitely happens in both directions and neither is helpful.
does it happen both ways though?
Like one example is https://jeena.net/lemmy-switch-to-piefed - that’s the irl experiences of an actual dev trying out both. That’s not “Lemmy hate” to simply report on what this new instance admin actually encountered?
Or there’s the account of slrpnk announcing its upcoming switch from Lemmy to PieFed - this is even an established, experienced admin team giving up on bugs in Lemmy and moving to PieFed that is easier to maintain. About those long-standing bugs, the admin says “I have reported the issue multiple times and I am not the only one with the problem since many years…”
How is this hatred of Lemmy’s entire existence, as in not merely preferring one software over th other for one’s own sake, vs. expressions wishing that the other software did not even so much as exist, as we see in several of those posts (and comments therein) that Blaze has shared in his post?
Yes there disagreements about the tankie devs and how they misuse funds, taking away from further software development in order to run their heavily politically charged and controversial instance (where based on the amount of moderation work going on, seems to consume a great deal of time and effort), without offering much in the way of choices to fund exclusively the software itself alone. But those are “concerns”, not actively wishing that the other software platform did not exist?
Neither software is perfect, but the only active hatred I’ve seen is towards the PieFed side.
Agreed. They’re both very good. And there’s no need to bring one down to uplift the other.
both user bases are full of a lot of nut jobs and people with extremist and crazy beliefs.
platforms don’t change people. that’s what nobody gets. fediverse is not going to ‘solve’ the problem of being people nutjobs seeking other nutjobs to compete over how ‘true’ their nutjob commitment is.
that’s completely irrelevant, because in internet and real life there are nutjobs everywhere. even tho the definition of nutjob might slightly differ for everyone, the platforms allow users to regulate the amount of nutjobs they meet individually, for example by subscribing communities with less of them and/or blocking/filtering.
also, the voting system helps a lot, so ppl get easy feedback about their content and it helps with sorting, too.
