for anyone afraid to make the jump to linux do it, now is the time. especially if you have an amd gpu unless you absolutely need software/games that does not support linux (and I dont mean the millions of windows games proton supports effortlessly, just a handful with kernel ac, and some pro software)
too daunting to research and learn? try in a vm and use llms to help you understand how things work
took me a week to get comfortable in arch linux after around two decades of windows
Even I, a long long long and ooooold ms-fanboy finally ditched win11 in fear of the copilot shit hole that’s coming.
And now I regret not having switched years earlier. Everything is a lot better now, and those things that are worse are just worse because companies hate Linux (looking at Logitech et al).
And when even I left windows (I do have every certificate from them, sold hundreds of thousands of licenses and whatnot) that tells something 😔 sadly so, I might add.
Long story short: fuck copilot.
Copilot is not the problem. If Copilot was just one more program (like Notepad or Paintbrush), I wouldn’t have an issue with it. But Microsoft (and other companies) insist in putting it every-fucking-where. Like in Notepad? WHY?! So yeah, fuck Microsoft.
Yes totally. They’re a company, they want to make money. Sure, fine. But if things stop being optional (or at least uninstallable like fucking onedrive) then I get pissed.
When I want AI, I start one. But in settings? In notepad? In my coffemachine and nutsack-warmer? Noooooo.
Like in Notepad? WHY?! So yeah, fuck Microsoft.
It’s the equivalent of a drugs dealer that starts throwing their product in people’s faces just to get more people hooked, but the product is so nasty almost everyone runs away screaming.
I know that isn’t the point of your comment, but what issues do you have with Logitech hardware on Linux? I have just mice from them, but honestly an embarrassing amount. I just use Solaar and I can configure all I need? I also have always only used the onboard memory (so I can move them between computers), and don’t really use macros though…
Solaar only let’s me do DPI for mine. I have to set that fucker up in a VM with lghub and use onboard profile and input-remapper. Without mapping the extra buttons in lghub to something, inputremapper gave me nothing to work with)
So far I have not needed my scripts or macros yet, so that is a problem for later 😁
(G502 x plus lightningsomething btw).
piper manages logitech mice and it’s quite good!
Yeah but not mine sadly. G502 x plus wireless
Windows is being re-written from the ground up to be ‘agentic’. This means that Copilot is not going to be a feature of Windows, Windows is going to be a feature of Copilot.
Oh, and Copilot is going to be writing the code too. Microslop brags that 30% of their code is AI.
Hey hey, let’s be honest here, bragged, it’s been 9 months or so by now. Who knows how much of windows is vibecoded at this point, it might be as high as 50%.
By the way microslop is doing emergency patch after emergency patch, vibe coding windows isn’t the brag they thought it was.
Maybe the new stuff. The Windows NT core has 22 years’ worth of code.
And following decent coding practices there shouldn’t be a ton of code there (not saying a small amount, just little enough that AI would be able to compete in volume in this amount of time), just because less is so often more.
If it’s a matter of quantity over quality, LLMs are fantastic at that. I can totally see them bloating the codebase by letting loose a few LLMs and have them do whatever.
Windows is being re-written from the ground up
I know they say that but you know there’s still Windows 95 code still in there so I don’t believe them at all. It’s just smoke and mirrors for the shareholders.
Code? There is still win 95 UI in windows 10
They are just going to add another layer of abstraction.
I just installed Linux Mint last weekend. Working great so far!
My office jumped ship at XP, it was that bad. We went to Linux because getting work done was actually more important.
So many things finally caught up, we did a lot of server client things with the Linux stack for field offices.
Now they call it the cloud. Which means it isn’t your server.
XP started the enshittification and it continued year after year…
XP started it?
In the micorosft line? Yes. Windows ID started here, telemetry, pushing their software, licensing schemes that only put you in control if you had a corporate key and so on.
Fair point.
XP was Tellytubby NT 2000.
I’ve got till 2032 I’m good. Then I’ll switch to Linux which will hopefully by then be better than windows at running windows games.
It already is actually. Proton driver’s are great.
Mandatory reference to Protondb, which lists how well every game performs on Linux. 84 % of the top 100 games on Steam are rated as gold or platinum.
Yeah, it’s very well done. Only issue is anything with kernel level anticheats, need windows. Fuck that, so many great games besides gtav and call of duty.
Some games with Kernel level anti-cheat still have linux support, though. It‘s always worth checking because some game devs actually care about Linux when you would expect the don‘t.
I don’t play too many of those, so have t checked
So i lost my lol addiction, is that a negative?
Depends on what you’re doing with your spare time. Do you feel a load was lifted off your shoulders or left on your face?
😦
And if your favorite games don’t work on proton because it’s something like apex or league that is a personal failing on your part
What?
People who don’t switch to linux because they are addicted to bad games are bad people.
No
yeah
that doesn’t make them bad people, just addicted people.
what makes some of them bad people is when they are actively campaigning against Linux to cope with their insecurities.
Ummm… Yes, Proton was already mentioned in this thread so I won’t repeat it. But I’m curious which problems you have with games on Linux or did you just repeat what was true 5 (?) years ago.
Don’t get me wrong: I tried gaming on linux when proton wasn’t even remotely in the pipeline and it was
horribleimpossible. When I first heard about proton I tried again and ran into issues with the first game I tried (Europa Universalis 4, the new Paradox launcher was broken at the time) so I jumped ship again. Then I tried again in early 2025 and haven’t looked back since then. There hasn’t been a single game I tried that didn’t work (although some games needed some tinkering but that’s where protondb comes to rescue). There is one game I’d like to play (The Crew 2) that doesn’t work because of it’s anti cheat. But apart from that: Great experience!You see, I get where you might be coming from but maybe don’t way until 2032 and give it a try again?
Well Roller Coaster Tycoon 3 has weird distorted music. Apparently it’s due to .wma files and possible to convert them to MP3 (or use some weird fan patch of Proton) but that sounds like a lot of effort for something I was hoping would just work out of the box.
I’m sure there’s a cli program to just do batch audio conversion, but in favor of simple and least amount of hassle, it wouldn’t be that much work with fre:ac. You should be able to just open up the game’s directory in your file browser by going to the game properties in Steam, clicking “Installed Files”, and then clicking the browse button in the top right. Drag the wma files into an open window of fre:ac, make sure mp3 is selected for the output in your preferences and click convert. Or if you installed it in Wine, just browse to where you installed it, then continue the same once you have the wma files. Then just replace the wma files with your new mp3s, and you’re done. Honestly, you’ll probably spend more time waiting for your package manager to install fre:ac than you’ll spend on everything else in this process. Not as easy as just running out of the box, but really not as bad as it might sound at first.
But I’m curious which problems you have with games on Linux
Not who you asked, but I still cannot get the Sims 2 ultimate collection to even work, and I’ve been struggling with this since october lmao. The problem seems to be EA trying to force everyone to buy legacy edition thus targeting everyone making UC installable, but I refuse to buy it because not only fuck paying more for a game I’ve owned for twenty years, it also lacks the Ikea pack and bodyshop and I desperately need both. At least Lazy Duchess, the modder responsible for RPC made a patch that gives some of the functionality to legacy as well…
Also, that’s only the first hurdle. There’s like four or five small programs you need to actually play and mod the game properly, and I haven’t even gotten far enough to try to get them to work. I don’t have enough skills to understand running virtual machine stuff either, so it seems like my main rig will be stuck in win10 forever as I will not upgrade it to 11 but I also cannot sacrifice my most played game (there’s also the problem with getting paint tool SAI running that’s keeping me on windows but that’s an entirely different affair, sigh)
I’ve been gaming exclusively on Linux for a few years now, and I can say Bethesda games, and specifically modding Bethesda games. That shit works a well as can be expected on windows, and if you keep the mod list light, can actually run better than vanilla.
I will say, the free Fallout 4 creation club content good enough as far as light modding goes, and runs extremely well.
Skyrim on the other hand, would honestly probably be fine if their creation club had half the mods that I want to play with.
Windows LTSC?
Win10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021 is the good one.
Updates till 2036 right?
That’s the biggest reason I’ve not switched. Gears of War is one of my favorite franchises, and games like that still need some time, it seems.
I made a conscious decision years ago to not buy any games that do not support Linux. This had the advantage of when I actually switched, all my recent games had full support ready to go. Plus it helps that I also don’t support anti consumer corporations such as ea or ubi or epic. No Tux, No bux.
I think people hate win11 outside of Germany too. Lookup how to switch win 10 to iot ltsc (aka alphabet soup) I did this quickly and easily with the only issues being desktop icons rearranged (take a screen grab reference Prior if you care) and unfortunately my automatic updates don’t work for some reason (I’ve seen rumors about drive parti on issues maybe being the reason) but I can download and install updates manually still until 2032.
I’m not exactly rejecting it, but I can’t afford to build a new computer that can run it till the AI bubble bursts.
It’s not a popular answer but you can get by with an older PC running Linux KVM. Windows 11 is fine as a guest OS, unless you need kernel level DRM from some applications.
Try to get a simple Linux distribution instead (Mint or Ubuntu). Depending on what you are using your computer for it might be just as good, even faster, than windows.
I miss WinXP. Simply the best, imo.
It was your computer, and it was friendly.
There is currently an ongoing isssue with Chromium/Electron rendering being almost-unusable with VRR. It was first reported almost a year ago. Microsoft doesn’t care enough to fix it. But hey, at least you get Copilot so it can tell you what registry tweak you have to add to fix it yourself!
Huh? I’m having no issues with vsCode, and while I haven’t used Discord in ages I didn’t have problems with it either. Both are electron. Got any links about these issues handy?
It’s this one:
https://lr.ptr.moe/r/Windows11/comments/1kgp7ar/cause_and_solution_to_windows_24h2_related/
i have win 11 on one of my laptops and I saw this issue. I do a lot of alt-tabbing and it made me go crazy because almost every time that happened, i’d have to minimize my browser and open it again or the webpage (and the browser ui) wouldn’t render correctly.
Isn’t like the whole UI using Electron at this point?
Didn’t they rewrite the start menu to electron?
I’d still be on 7 if they didn’t non-consensually update my machine.
I walked into my room one day and my computer was in the middle of downdating from 7 to 10, without ever asking me. I held my breath and unplugged the thing from the wall. Luckily nothing happened and it booted back into 7 and I went in and removed every single notion of any update I could, short of physically opening my HDD and removing the physical sections of the platter. Ended up switching to 10 at 11pm on the night 7 ended support. Eh.
I just use Wine and feel good. Feel good!
Not every applications runs in Wine. For example I didn’t get USB devices (not storage, connection to a special device) running in Wine. And I can imagine that old serial connections and so are even more tricky.
Not all applications run on Windows either:)
Wine has support serial and parallel ports. They work fine. In recent versions of wine you don’t even have to set anything up. Just run
ls -l ~/.wine/dosdevices/com*after running something in wine to see what the com port number is for your device. The ttyACM and ttyUSB ports are USB serial ports. The ttyS ports are hardware serial ports and they will probably show up even if your computer doesn’t have any.Whoa, I didn’t know about it. Maybe I can run some legacy plc programming and industrial automation software using wine.
Huh, didn’t know about that. I should try the application again.
I got some weird specialised hardware over USB working via WinBoat. Might be an option for some.
Good to know, thx.
Something like Winboat would be more useful for edge cases like that.
Why would old serial connections be trickier in Wine? You would think they’d be easier since Wine started being developed when those were more prevalent.
Just a guess honestly
First time I tried to use WINE I got extremely confused by it, and ended up with a program that still didn’t function. Literally no idea if it was me or a program that fundamentally didn’t work with Wine.
Yes, “wine /path/to/program.exe” command might be too confusing for some categories of users.
Mmmmm, not according to massgrave. You get 4 years more.
2032 is the cutoff for IOT LTSC, so 6 years actually.
With security patches?
Best thing about ltsc is you only get security patches. All the amazing features people get like copilot and more copilot and yet more copilot is stuff ltsc doesn’t get.
But they so generously extended their
blackmail ultimatum datesupport!! Why won’t people switch? It’s so weird. Don’t they know that MS CEO Satya Nadela ($1.1 Bil) has their best interest at heart, always?On my gaming PC I never signed up for any sort of Win10 extended support but it still wants to update regularly. Did they just give up and give the extended support to everyone?
Put Linux on an old gaming laptop. Thing runs much better on Linux than Windows ever has.
I think you got the extra year just for signing in with an MS account
