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I had an upgrade plan for my PC that involved a step up to a 4k monitor, but when the time came, it was hard enough just finding a 4k monitor with decent specs that I stopped to really think about whether I would really benefit from it. I already knew I didn’t need it, but I realized that I wouldn’t even really gain anything from it. I already used the UI scaling with the one 4k monitor I had at work, so that was a wash. And for games, I didn’t really have any times when I wished the resolution was higher than the 1440p I was already using, but I did have times when I wished it would generate the frames faster or more consistently.
Part of the change was a new GPU to handle 4k better (they were supposed to justify each other), but I ended up just getting an ultrawide 1440p monitor instead.
I don’t think I’ll ever bother with higher than 4k for TV or 1440p for PC.
Yeahhhhh 8K is going to be pretty far off considering we still get 1080p “enhanced” trash with YoutubeTV for sports games. It looks like ass on my good, 4K TV. I can’t imagine that on an 8K display.
Though some sports - like the Unrivaled games on HBO - are of a higher quality, you just don’t get that everywhere.
And that’s just sports. Couple that with the fact that some people still have data caps, and I just don’t see widespread adoption any time soon.
That’s because the answer isn’t higher resolutions, it was legally enforcing h.265 to be open source. Now the solution is AV1, but video codecs shouldn’t be locked down like that.
To act like that was ever in favor of “protecting the sciences” is a fucking joke.
For the majority of people a 1080p60 with a high bitrate and 10+ bit color space will look absolutely perfect. Some can pixel peep and tell, but more people still struggle seeing when the aspect ratio is wrong on their TV.
What’s interesting to me is that film is roughly, perceptually around 8K. However, very very few people have cinema-sized screens in their home, so what’s the point if it’s “only” even 80 inches?
I think giant 8K monitors are still useful for productivity, but only for a small number of people. I personally like having multiple monitors over one big one.
For movies, look up what Alexa Mini’s can do. The very recent past dominant Mini had a 3424x2202 resolution. Most movies shot digitally (most in the last like 20 years) were shot at below 4k. Many had special effects done at 1080p. When movie theaters switched to digital projection, most used 2048x1080 projectors and the shift towards 4k projectors wasn’t that long ago.
The Alexa Mini LF can do 4448x3096. The Sony Venice 8k camera is a few years old only. There’s a huge amount of loyalty to Arri, particularly the lenses. Panasonic and Z-Cam have 8k cameras. But like Arri, I’d bet most filmmakers would choose the 4k/6k cameras
Even the ones that opt for the 8k cameras, there very likely would be lower resolution cameras in use as well like the Alexa Mini or a 4k/6k Z-Cam or like a Sony FX3. Including most nature documentaries. Unless it’s just wide canvases, you’re not going to be mounting the 8k cinema cameras all over the place like you would cheaper small cameras like an FX3. Plus stuff like shooting at 240fps 12bit color for slow motion playback. I’m betting that none of the cinema cameras support that at 8k. So back down to probably 1080p. Don’t know the status of 4k240 out there. That’s a lot of bandwidth, storage, processing power, and cooling needed
Then there’s 70mm filming. The vast majority of productions cannot do that. There’s a lot of unused footage that goes into filmmaking. If you look at the size of a roll of 70mm film used for projecting a feature length film, it’s huge. It’s boutique equipment. There’s not a ton of cinema 70mm cameras and lenses to rent. Camera operators. Labs to get them scanned for digital editing. 70mm will always be limited in adoption especially now that digital is the dominant form of cinematography
So 8k will for many many years be the land of upscaling and for native, old video games. Videos, I guess two 8k60 cameras rigged together for VR will lead the way along with an occasional movie/documentary. No guarantees that the movie theater will show it in 8k though. It’s taken a very long time for 4k projection to approach standard for theaters in places like the US let alone poorer countries or countries with less mega theater chains that could more comfortably afford the upgrade
TV manufacturers salivated at the idea of TV resolution, hoping desperately to turn the TV market into something like the PC market, in that you have to upgrade every 5ish years to stay on top of technology and use the latest stuff to artificially increase sales beyond what their already abysmal build qualities provide them.
I’m glad the plan is failing spectacularly.
Hopefully this forces them to think more about quality and start focusing on TVs that actually last now… You know, like we used to have 30 years ago.
All we want is a clear picture and no ads.
4k is a little much for me.
At a certain point yours eyes can’t tell much difference. It is like music, people would obsess over tweaking their stereo systems to the point where I doubt you could physically tell the difference, it was mostly imagined.
Huge tvs also require big rooms to make the viewing angle work. Not everyone has a room they work in. Apartments are especially too small for huge tvs.
Getting rid of my tv was the best thing I did for myself. That’s the future. Removing and reducing all screen time.
For me, the opposite was true. Ever since I injured my knees last year, putting a 75 inch TV in my bedroom has improved my quality of life.
I know people will probably say “oh just fix your knees” and think that sentiment is helping, but I tend to not take my medical advice from technology communities and instead listen to doctors. It makes me sound rude, but it’s true that medical advice should be given by medical professionals for the best outcome possible.
I really do love having a nice big TV in my bedroom.
I love that for you
Well, when NFL broadcasts on 720 or 1080i, an 8k tv isn’t going to make that look better. Even a prime subscription only gets you 4k.
There’s no difference between 4k broadcast on 4k tv vs. 8k broadcast on 8k tv, unless your watching it with your nose touching the tv.
Except for you knowing the numbers and being able to brag to your friends about your 8k tv
Edit: read the article before please
4k is enough, 60fps is enough, no smart or AI stuff is perfectly fine…
What about reducing the energy consumption? That’s an innovation I want.
Modern TVs use a fraction of the energy of CRTs.
Are you aware that reducing the energy consumption on monitors is competely irrelevant compared to the giant data centers coming up now, taking as much as power as a full city?
One typical AI data center ≈ 1 TWh/year ≈ the electricity used by 100 000 average homes annually.
A very large AI data center under construction ≈ 20 TWh/year ≈ electricity for ~2 million homes annually.
Fun times isnt it.
By that logic, I should go out and just start a murder spree, because people die anyway so whats the point.
Start?
Shhh, back in the locker with you. You’ll be with your mother soon.
I personally do reject that kind of thinking.
“But others are worse” reminds me of the kindergarten…
EU has introduced energy efficiency levels for monitors based on the potential and we are far from the goal.
I can’t tear down AI data centers, but I can choose to buy a monitor that does not heat up my living room and leads to a nicer electricity bill for me.
“I can’t tear down AI data”
I mean, if the wealthy won’t listen and they are trying to steal all our resources this is exactly what must happen.
I’m reminded of this type of absurdity every time my Creative T40 speakers auto-shut off after a few minutes of inactivity, and take 4 seconds to wake up again. Yes, that entire millijoule of (entirely renewable) electrical energy is making a huge difference.
You can care about more than one thing
Of course, buy monitors that use a bit less energy. That will give you probably 1 dollar per year in savings, and you can spend that on something nicer. A cup of coffee maybe.
Yes, sort of like if your kitchen is on fire but you also need to vacuum the living room. You should definitely focus on finishing the vacuuming before addressing the fire, because, you know, you can care about more than one thing.
Fires are more urgent than messes, but we have firemen and custodians and need them both. The poster can vote with his wallet to get the best energy efficiency possible in his home electronics and possibly vote at the ballot box to help regulate corporate energy waste.
It doesn’t seem sane that he would have to forego every other endeavor in his life until the most urgent issue in it is resolved, even if there is no direct action he can take about that one at this time.
I need a new car and also to do the dishes. The new car is much more important, but I have no means to work on the car issue today and am already standing in the kitchen. Is it more productive if I pace around wringing my hands in concern about the car problem, or maybe wash some dishes now and get a car in the morning when the dealership opens?
You are describing urgent vs important. Fire fighting is always urgent, but in many ways, janitorial services are often more important to your daily life.
Try to keep up with me here: what if you could put out the fire and vacuum at the same time?
lemme guess, you’re gonna vaccum the fire 😭
no no, you rake fires.
Wait, that works!?
BRB!
I hope you mean 60hz is enough for TVs. Because I certainly don’t want that regression on my monitor 😄
Totally agree. Huge difference when moving windows or gaming on a 120 Hz or higher monitor. So smooth.
Never noticed.
I notice the difference between 60 an 72hz but only after a few hours when i either get or don’t have a headache from using 60hz. Visually I see no difference.
Honestly you will. You probably never compared the two side by side.
It’s incredibly apparent, you think it’s smooth but then when you go over to 120 Hz and then go back the difference is very apparent.
I had a 980ti for AGES that could do 120hz at 1080. got a big 4k screen, immediately had to upgrade the gpu because it wouldn’t do 4k at anything higher than 60hz. even moving the mouse across the screen felt sluggish.
The forbidden comparaison.
People live happily untill they do it. Than … Than they can’t ever go back . It’s a curse.
Don’t taste the forbidden fruit
You have never noticed the difference between 60 and 120hz?
When I tried a game that had a 120hz mode, I had to lower the quality a little to get it work well, but didn’t notice a big difference, but there was a difference.
A few days later I went back to 60hz so i could increase the graphics quality , and the difference was crazy huge. I had to go back to 120hz.
60 and 240hz, yes I had it setup correctly.
120hz on my 4k 75in TV. Didn’t bother connecting it to WiFi. It’s a dumb TV now
So important that my windows move smoothly, right?
Just like my entire system. Smooth.
Seeing the spinning wheel loading screen makes me cry. Not because it lasts long, but because it isn’t smooth!
The plasma one? You can change it, I guess you know maybe. Its in settings. :)
The only real innovation after 1080p for TV was HDR, sound stuff, 60-120hz, and upscaling to 4k.
You missed the 3D which came and went because nothing really supported it.
Only time I used 3D on my TV was playing Black Ops split-screen, where both players got the full screen, which was pretty neat.
Fuck.
Now instead of each new generation of TVs being slightly higher in resolution some god damn business tech executive is going to focus on some god damn bullshit to try and change or add which is going be absolutely fucking ridiculous or pointless and annoying like AI television shit or TV gaming or fuck my life. Smart TVs are bad enough but they can’t help themselves they need to change or add shit all the fucking time to “INNOVATE!!!” and show stockholder value.
Resolution was something easy and time consuming but we can’t rely on that keeping them from fucking TV up any more.
