Just came up with my father again.
He blames me that mother forgot her phone’s and Google password because I recommended against it being a word.
I mentioned encryption, “not necessary unless you’re doing something illegal”.
When mentioning lack of privacy with targeted advertisements, he said that he actually really likes them, because he bought a couple of things he wanted for years.
I don’t really have good arguments.
“arguing that you don’t care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say.” -Edward Snowden
If I was to answer that type of argument, I would consider those:
- why do you close the door of the bathroom when you use it?
- Can I watch you fuck?
- Show me your last income declaration
- Give me your credit card
- Why do you wear clothing?
- Why do you lock the door of the house?
but I tend to ignore people using the “I have nothing to hide” argument
I just be direct.
The people making this argument have already built an implicit stage in their mind where they’re talking about when authority is trying to investigate you for being “one of the bad ones.”
They’re not “counting” personal privacy in this context like modesty and personal private space.
I just say “Because when the long arc of history swings the other way like it has for thousands of years, do you want your scary, blue-haired antifa boogymen to have the power to investigate you and your personal life and habits?”
If it’s a male conservative, you can have great success with “So if someone says they need to check your hard drive for every image and video you’ve ever looked at, you’re fine with that? I know a guy who can immediately restore every file you’ve ever deleted.”
Sometimes they turn white.
Also: why does your wife, mom, daughter close the bathroom door? Do you watch your mom or daughter fuck?
That persons opinion of privacy would affect other people too.
2 big things for me.
First is that everyone, and I mean absolutely everyone has something they want to hide. People assume “I’m not a violent person or a criminal” except yes you are, and you’ve done something. A great example is everyone in the US speeds, absolutely everyone. Does that mean you want every office to know every instance of you speeding if you get pulled over? So, yes everyone has something they’d rather not say.
Second is more of an example of you should be allowed to go places without everyone knowing. The example was about 5 years ago police used location data to find a person who broke into someone’s home. Problem is that the location data they used returned one person who happened to be on that street around the same time. They were riding their bike down the street. To the police they had the person there, they had proof, it was good enough. Except it wasn’t, and he obviously wasn’t the person they were looking for. Location data put him there though, and sold him out. So maybe not the best thing for whoever to know exactly where you are at any given time.
As for encryption, ask him for his porn history. If he gets upset, just say “why it’s not illegal”
but, I agree with the other person. If you’re dad is like mine and countless others, you’re not fighting against him but propaganda. If that’s the case, you aren’t going to win this. The only winning is turning off the source.
I wouldn’t say everyone speeds as not everyone even drives. The biggest thing for me is that even if you don’t have something you’re ashamed of it could still be something you could be targeted for, like political views, disability or gender identity etc.
“Do you shit with the door open?”
“Why? Are you hiding something?”
“To make sure you’re not hiding anything, I need you to shit with the door open from now on.”
Eventually, they’ll justify their need for privacy. When they do, agree with them.
I skipped that step and went straight to cameras in the toilet pointed up.
How’d it go?
Hey it’s me ur pooper
First and foremost, I equate privacy with dignity and respect.
But now it’s also a matter of self defense. A woman in Texas does not want to be caught looking up abortion clinics. An immigrant searching for legal council could find themselves visited by ICE. An idle comment that you are anti-fascist could end up labeling you as a domestic terrorist. A tasteless joke you posted as a teenager could cost you a job as an adult.
Fifteen years ago my mother was on Facebook and the algorithm figured out she had breast cancer. She was flooded with quack cures and ads for clinics in Mexico. She didn’t fall for, but if she had, it could have killed her.
It isn’t just about Amazon trying to sell you a toilet seat. The stakes are higher than that.
“If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.”
Cardinal Richelieu
I’m not worried about what I’m doing, I’m worried about the intentions of those looking
A quick quip is: I dont suppose you own curtains? Humans have a harder time conceptually thinking of privacy like curtains.
I call it the bathroom analogy. When you’re dropping a deuce, you’re not doing anything illegal or immoral, indeed you’re not doing anything anyone else isn’t also doing, but I’d wager you probably don’t want people watching you do it.
May I have a copy of your birth certificate, driver’s license, SSN, along with credit card info, bank and trading accounts, and a video of you naked to post online in multiple public forums?
No? Guess you like privacy more than you thought…
People having varying levels of desired privacy. I don’t like to give out things just because someone wants to know, and by law I should be protected so as not to be compelled to.
Privacy isn’t about hiding things, it’s about not giving them away because someone else wants them.
I’m going to be real. I was part way through an explanation before I deleted it. What you are dealing with sounds like a situation where you simply won’t win by using logic. To continue to labor under the presumption that a good and logical reasoning will have an effect is just going to stress you out and achieve nothing.
Google password because I recommended against it being a word.
IT nerds help me out here, but I’ve been under the impression that the best defense against brute force attacks is a very long password, and the idea of sprinkling in special characters or numbers is outdated. Something like “iwenttothestoreandboughtabirthdaycake” is a more secure password than “$6jds_*WghP6”.
edit: Also the mantra to never write down any passwords is more of a workplace piece of advice. I personally think, and this would probably be helpful for older people, that writing down passwords in a notebook which is kept secure in their home is pretty safe. Short of a home invasion, that notebook is safe, and having it can encourage them to diversify their passwords on different accounts. So, if you are going to keep at the issue, taking an angle of using something they are more comfortable with like a paper notebook is going to be accepted more easily than trying to sell them on a password manager or something.
As far as I know, the thing is that randomly chosen words will be more secure because there’s simply too many words. However, sentences will be more predictable. And a single word will give quick access to someone with a sufficient wordlist.
Honestly, I don’t remember what exactly my recommendation was, just that I recommended against something quite simple (common word), and that she shouldn’t tell me or anyone else what it is.
Edit: but I am not a professional, so don’t use me for advice.
The difference for random Vs chosen sentences is when brute forcing a password (short of a few common or predictable sentences) the attack works by trying out combinations of different words randomly (if they’re even that advanced in the first place instead of using characters). That means any sentences you come up with, based on 3 things in the room, are so unpredictable that it doesn’t matter that they aren’t truly random.
You can also change the space characters. Use - then _ then + and repeat:
Instead of
iwentshoppingformilklastsaturdayuse can usei-went_shopping+for-milk_last+saturday. The amount of variables are just too high for it to truly matter.Now all you need to deal with is the banking login being so poorly designed it only allows a max of 8 characters or BS like that, in which case you’ve lost before you even started.
in which case you’ve lost before you even started.
And once I came across even better limitation. “Only English characters and numbers are permitted. Passwords are case-insensitive.”
OK, the last one wasn’t actually mentioned, but I just found out the case didn’t matter either.Yikes, you just know those are stored in a file called
passwords-donotsteal.txt…The fourth largest bank in America, Wells Fargo, has cases insensitive passwords
It doesn’t even have to be that long. 12-16 characters and it’ll be infeasible to brute-force for the foreseeable future. But unless you’re talking a high-value target like government, military, or executive suite at a company, no one bothers to brute-force anyway because there’s easier ways to gain access.
The biggest issue with password security is reuse and sharing. The most secure password in the world doesn’t mean a damn thing if you use the same email/password combination across a hundred different websites, because all it takes is for just one of them to suffer a leak and now your credentials are in a dump with millions of others that can be bought for a song and a dance.
This is why it’s imperative to use 2FA for your most important accounts, because it can mean the difference between an attacker getting access and hitting an error page and trying the next poor fucker’s credentials instead.
But also, no one wants to try to remember a hundred different unique passwords so it’s also a good idea to use a password manager. Chrome and Firefox both have them built-in (note that Firefox stores passwords unencrypted on disk unless you set a master password!), but there’s also services like OnePass or Bitwarden that have stronger guarantees.
Is there something that would perhaps also work on Android? Also, how do you move the passwords from password manager into the fields? My problem with clipboard is that anything can read it. Of course, that means there has to be something to exfiltrate the data, but 1 problem is better than 2.
Password managers on Android (and frankly all platforms) actually try to avoid using the clipboard. They prefer the auto-fill service, which is intended for applications just like this. Unfortunately this isn’t working in all cases, but you can also set your password manager as a keyboard (temporarily), so it can directly input a selected username/password without anyone else seeing it.
Examples where I know this is the case are open source keepass options (Keepass2Android, KeepassDX). But I’d assume bitwarden and the like also work this way.
Most of those password managers are also available on android, and automatically clear the clipboard after 30 seconds.
But that’s a bit like plugging a leak when the tanks empty. If they managed to get a tool onto your device to read the clipboard, what else is there to get? They’ll almost certainly have a key logger installed as well, if not a full backdoor.
And that’s assuming they’ll even go through the effort of installing anything and not just using ransomware to brick your device.
The first thing about security is knowing who you’re defending against, and you’re not defending against targeted attacks by nation states (if you as an individual are, you’ve already lost). Your main adversary is spray-and-pray “script kiddies”, maybe the occasional private actor.
Clearing the clipboard also makes it less likely that you’ll accidentally paste your password in a text box somewhere when you meant to tap “Copy” and missed.
Keypass has apps which supposedly support autofill (I’ve never bothered with setting them up because I hate using a phone), but it might go through the clipboard. You can also set it to clear the clipboard so its at least not just sitting there indefinitely.
Bitwarden sold keys recently. Chrome and firefox are the same product now and neither should be allowed to hold anything important.
If you can’t get keepass going, I second pen and paper.
Bitwarden sold keys recently.
Source?
Chrome and firefox are the same product now and neither should be allowed to hold anything important.
Source?
Give me the man and I will give you the case against him is a saying that was popularized in the Soviet Union and in Poland in the period of the People’s Republic of Poland, attributed to the Stalinist jurist Andrey Vyshinsky,[2][5]: 200 [6] or the Soviet secret police chief Lavrentiy Beria.[3][4] It refers to the miscarriage of justice in the form of the abuse of power by the jurists, who could find any defendant guilty of “something”, if they so desired
You can find just about anyone guilty of something if you have access to everything they do/say
When mentioning lack of privacy with targeted advertisements, he said that he actually really likes them, because he bought a couple of things he wanted for years.
“It’s ok that we’re being spied, it lets people better take my money on stuff I wanted anyway”
Richelieu had them beat by 400 years:
“If you give me six lines written by the hand of the most honest of men, I will find something in them which will hang him.”
Cardinal Richelieu
Great, can you give me your phone and unlock it so I can scroll through it?
You have nothing to hide right? Also if you could keep the door to the bathroom open that’d be great!
Usually gets the point across very quickly
“I need privacy not because my actions are questionable, but because your judgement and intentions are.”
Compare it to free speech. Saying you don’t need privacy because you have nothing to hide is like saying you don’t need free speech because you have nothing to say. Eventually, through no fault of your own, there will come a time when you have something worth saying or hiding, and you will regret having surrendered your right to do so.
Another way to put it is: I don’t need privacy because my judgment and intentions are shady, but because the authorities’ judgment and intentions are, or one day will be. Allowing the authorities to invade your privacy and suppress your speech diminishes your ability to hold them accountable.
