Messed with Ubuntu maybe a decade ago was the last Linux experience I had until recently replacing win11 with Fedora KDE on my main machine. Honestly feels like a breath of fresh air. Nothing is asking me to sync it to one drive. Everything is snappy and customizable. It’s clean and just feels pleasant to use. Not ever going back.
know who never pushed AI?
Linux.
know who has fixes or useful community support?
Linux.
know who doesn’t scan your desktop every second to scrape your data?
Linux.
know who has the audacity to provide a free product and still doesn’t sell your identity to the lowest bidders?
Linux.
holy shit, it’s almost like Linux is the OS by the people for the people…
Remember: Companies don’t learn lessons, they react to profits. They’re 100% gonna boil the frog here.
They already did with 10. At this point even a funny smell is gonna rumble 'em
and this is why I use Linux. No forced AI nonsense being shoved down my neck.
*skeptical
Is this going to be another jealous/envious situation? Are we going to lose “skeptic” from our language because no one can be bothered to learn the difference between a skeptic and a cynic?
While I understand your point, in this case I think “cynical” is applicable.
Anything to do with mega corporations (like M$), I assume bad faith and selfish motives from the start.
i don’t believe it and am no longer giving them the chance to allow me to see it.
That was my reaction when I read about them pulling copilot and such. I think it’s probably the reaction of every software nerd.
Microsoft hasn’t made a decent OS since Windows 7, why would they start now?
Agreed. 2000 was fantastic, but that was 9 years before 7. Its been 17 years since 7.
I was a big fan of XP too
XP is still good! still the only windows version that’s reverse compatible with DOS.
People have too much rose tinted vision about 7, it really wasn’t that great. I don’t see anything it does better than w11, and if you have modern hardware (I mean like 2015+) your computer is being held back by w7. Sure it’s technically more light weight but it lacks support for modern hardware and any modern computer will by choked by w7 where w11 or Linux would run significantly better.
God I still remember how many people still screamed about Windows 7 and getting rid of XP. You can definitely tell the age of people based off of what Windows OS they claim is best.
For real I cut my teeth on vista and grew up largely with w7, I can’t hold 7 on a pedestal though.
If you think that Windows 7 was overrated, you’re naive and completely oblivious to the state of Windows during that era. XP came out in 2001 and Vista in 2007, during a time personal computer improvements were exploding. That’d be like 20 years nowadays. Vista was a bloated and slow mess that even modern hardware could barely run efficiently. Windows 7 righted the wrongs and made massive performance improvements that Vista lacked, and not just for modern hardware at the time, but legacy hardware was revived.
Arguing that Windows 7 doesn’t support modern hardware is so asinine and a straw-man argument. No one was making an argument that Windows 7 is a good OS today, not a single person. What we are arguing is that every OS since 7 has been a half-baked mess with tons of bugs and annoyances.
“I don’t see anything it does better than w11”. You think the lack of unified interface is equal to windows 7? You think the disaster of a start menu is equal to windows 7? You think forced updates is better? You think the abundance of telemetry is better?
Honestly, have you even used Windows 7?
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You seem to be very unecessarily angry at things. Everything ok at home?
Yeah nah mate i do not recall a single issue you’re citing here. And i was literally sysadmin for a uni rolling it out at the time.
Sure, in some cases you had to do a little more driver work as they cut the “must natively contain drivers for fucking everything” mindset that caused XP to have such a massive footprint, but they were easy to install after the fact
Yea u can be ignorant all you want but windows 7 was a buggy mess on launch and no amount of nostalgia is gonna change that. Yes windows 7 wound up polished, but just because you fanboy over it with the rest of the echo chamber in here doesn’t negate the fact that it was a steaming pile on launch that u couldn’t even upgrade to from vista without nearly bricking your computer. Maybe u rolled it out on all new computers or something but it was quite buggy for at least the first 2 years until updated dozens of times. I have never had to fresh install w10 or w11 or Linux over stupid bugs and crashes and BSODS, but i remember having to do fresh installs several times with w7 in the earlier days.
Drop the condescending jackassery, it’s never a good look.
Win10 was so horrifically buggy you literally had to do complete factory resets to resolve issues back in the day. Theres a reason why the uptake still hadn’t reqched peak until users were forced at gunpoint. They couldn’t even properly stabilise the bloody thing until 20H1
Win 11? Is the biggest pile of shit masquerading as an OS the species has ever produced.
I’m a bit confused by your criticism. Windows 7 came out in 2009, Windows 8 came out in 2012. And your criticism of Windows 7 is that it doesn’t run great with modern hardware? Microsoft not optimizing an old operating system for new hardware when it’s focusing on a new version, to me, isn’t a reflection on the quality or design of the old operating system. To me that’s like criticizing DOS for being limited to 640kb of memory. It was designed for the hardware available at the time.
I think the best way to turn people on to Linux is to give them a bootable live USB, so they can try it out. Otherwise, they have no basis for comparison.
Too many people just accept whatever Microsoft gives them, shrug and think, “Well, I guess this is just the way computers are.”
The best way from my perspective is to show them.
At tech events and meetups, I’m showing them Linux.
When my friends come over, I show them my self hosted solutions on a Linux.
At work, where we use Macs, we talk about open-source, including Linux.
I like the idea, but unfortunately most PCs don’t boot from USB out of the box. It requires a few easy steps, but this might just be enough for a lot of people not to try it.
Yes. In Windows 12.
It’s going to be massively worse in Windows 12. There is no going back for them.
There’s a threshold that you pass and once you do there’s no going back because the trust is lost forever and customers will go the next chance they get.
It looks like this is finally the point we might have reached with windows.
The Trust Thermocline
Yes that, thanks!
No they aren’t. They don’t care.
What sucks is - windows is the easiest to jump off. There are tons of viable alternatives.
There is nothing for mobile.
For mobile I can’t recommend Graphene enough. Freedom from Google with no draw backs.
Assuming you have self control about keeping shite apps off your mobile, fastest and most private option there is.
I’d get on graphene in a second if they supported more than one phone, and I’m not buying a damn Pixel alright. Google if you don’t and Google if you do.
Yeah I’ve heard of that, but so far it’s just rumours. Hopefully it ends up being something reasonable.
100% with you there. Would enable the less nerdy people to benefit.
Only thing holding me back is game companies not empowering stuff like battlefield
I daily drive Linux for work, just use windows to play some games in the evening
I mean. There ARE mobile os options. Just you need to have very specific phones, and they’re all old and outdated tech.
they’re all old and outdated tech.
You can put graphene os on the newest pixel if you really want. Imo, you shouldn’t be giving Google the money anyway. Makes more sense to buy an older refurbished pixel from a trusted 3rd party. The newer phones are not really major increases in tech anymore anyway. I’m still rocking a pixel 6 pro and it feels functionally equivalent to the newer phones but it’s 5 years old.
I don’t want to do anything with Google. Definitely don’t trust their hardware.
Look. Israeli child molesters waited 10 years before activating lebanese explosive pagers. I don’t trust Google just giving out free code only on their devices for some reason, as if they know there is something else on hardware level. Google lost all the trust and good will I ever had for them
Did a wtf? Looked it up; still wtf but it’s real.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Lebanon_electronic_device_attacks
Buying used still inflates the price, giving Google more money. Plus, Google is now sending you firmware updates. I like Fairphone, and there are a few ROMs you can flash onto it. But unfortunately not grapheneOS. Maybe LineageOS (without MicroG) would be the least googly, but there would still be some Google bits and bobs you’d have to turn off. /e/OS is probably a bit more degoogled, except for MicroG, which is kind of a big exception. No android is completely degoogled, it seems. There is a promising Linux phone coming to Europe soon though, the Jolla phone, and I’m hoping it gets good reviews and then comes to the US.
And lineage has pretty good compatibility too, but we’re talking about mobile OSs outside the big two, Android and iOS. In that context, the device compatibility list is significantly shorter, and even the newer phones listed are ~10yr old hardware, or if newer severely underpowered compared to not even flagship phones available 5 or more years ago.
I really really want a viable Linux phone, but the device range isn’t there, and there’s still a lot lacking in functionality. Currently what’s on offer isn’t ready for general population daily use.
Yup, and getting fewer every day.
There are some projects (postmarketOS and half a dozen people forking it for other distros) trying to get kernel and drivers worked out, Linux is still sadly lacking at a bunch of the best tricks Android and IOS use to save power (most notably freezing applications), we’ll get there eventually.
The Halium stuff +Ubuntu ports works if all you’re worried about is privacy and as you said have a supported phone.
Postmarket can’t make it through the morning on a charge. Halium is Android kernel and drivers and also has power issues if you decide to run android apps. Neither one can do anything with NFC.
But they do exist. It does give me hope that people are actively working on these projects, useless for daily driving or not. In a better timeline we’d have more than 2 properly viable mobile OS options.
Yeah, I guess I came off more negative than hopeful. Supposedly on of the big phone makers is partnering with someone doing pocket linux, and there’s Furi, Jolla and Volla. The real shining star is the EU rights causing (many/most/all?) phones there to be able to be unlocked and open to flashing. But open for the US is getting much more rare, and with oneplus’ recent hardware fuse breaking on flashing, I’m just feeling like (amongst many other things here) we’re losing the battle to privacy and open hardware.
Nah, you’re good bud 👍.
Honestly, while I am hopeful, it’s hard to be positive about the current state of alternative mobile OS. Everything not based on android feels like a proof of concept. We’re at the early adopters stage, but I can’t bring myself to get on board when there’s not really a great option. And device support, I already have my current daily driver, plus my old phone as a backup, and the phone before that too. None of which are supported by any of the projects, and even as something to play around with I can’t bring myself to buy ANOTHER phone. 🤷
They’ll stop pushing AI by integrating it throughout the system similar to how Internet Explorer is tied to everything. Except much more invasive.
Their goal is certainly not reducing AI, it’s making it seamlessly incorporated in everything you do.
