What’s a left MAGA? Just asking because I know ofc you got the term for right-wing Democrats, but I’m guessing this term relates to the overlaps in traditional ML thought and fascism?
I prefer blue maga, but it’s someone who thinks the world can made great by the liberal side of the American binary system. Despite the fact that civil “rights” which were fought for have been systemically torn apart by a ratchet effect and a forever shifting Overton window that the democratic party has been explicitly engaging in.
They think the DNC can be trusted, that the system is not broken, and that change can be created from within the DNC/RNC monopoly by working with it. Not that we are a near fully-captured oligarchy with low education masses that are easily manipulated by media propoganda.
I was meaning the ML stuff, but yeah I know blue MAGA, but it’s not just that blue MAGA are just dumb liberals, but blue MAGA is specifically the policy of Democrats to create a Bill Clinton 2.0 that adopts most meaningful policies of Trump (the anti trans and imperialist fascist policies like supporting slaughtering of foreign born brown people, criminalizing transness inherently, the increase in surveillance and authoritarian policy like ID scans and using Palantir/Flock, being dark woke without being woke at all, so on so on) and pretends it’s different because a Democrat is doing it. It’s the classic “Democrats can do Republican policy better” stupidity.
Yeah, though I wouldn’t say that ML falls into this category generally. It’s more specifically about the farther extreme end that is usually relegated to Hexbear and beyond that start to fall into the “so left they practically loop back to the other end of the spectrum” group. There are those amongst that group that have no problems with harassment or transphobia or anything else so long as they deem the target as having failed their purity test and therefore being nothing but capitalist scum who deserve everything they get.
I think generally horseshoe theory is silly, but there is too much authoritarianism that leads into missing the point of your goals, it’s why I can’t stand any version of ML but Cuba, as generally they do have elections and people there are vocally active and they LGBT rights, (while making the best out of their little resources!!!) while China on the other hand has given up on communism and became a capitalist country basically, Russia literally is a “liberal (formerly) ‘democracy,’” North Korea is a fiefdom owned by a guy obsessed about power and Macs, and other such failures. I think any ML that wants to be taken seriously and not be seen as a drooling bootlicker of the USSR needs to at least accept that the system they push can fail easily in its goals due to its authoritarianism.
I agree, in general I believe that any system is vulnerable to the human element and not some kind of horseshoe theory. But in this case I am specifically using ML to refer to users of lemmy.ml and how they’re not as extreme as Hexbear users, a number of whom basically could have turned into MAGA followers if they hadn’t gotten into socialism first. Very similar behavior and rhetoric from some of the users on that instance. Socialists can be just as pro-authoritarian as fascists can, and just because they’re racist against Western Europeans instead of Asians doesn’t mean that they aren’t racist.
What’s a left MAGA? Just asking because I know ofc you got the term for right-wing Democrats, but I’m guessing this term relates to the overlaps in traditional ML thought and fascism?
I prefer blue maga, but it’s someone who thinks the world can made great by the liberal side of the American binary system. Despite the fact that civil “rights” which were fought for have been systemically torn apart by a ratchet effect and a forever shifting Overton window that the democratic party has been explicitly engaging in.
They think the DNC can be trusted, that the system is not broken, and that change can be created from within the DNC/RNC monopoly by working with it. Not that we are a near fully-captured oligarchy with low education masses that are easily manipulated by media propoganda.
I was meaning the ML stuff, but yeah I know blue MAGA, but it’s not just that blue MAGA are just dumb liberals, but blue MAGA is specifically the policy of Democrats to create a Bill Clinton 2.0 that adopts most meaningful policies of Trump (the anti trans and imperialist fascist policies like supporting slaughtering of foreign born brown people, criminalizing transness inherently, the increase in surveillance and authoritarian policy like ID scans and using Palantir/Flock, being dark woke without being woke at all, so on so on) and pretends it’s different because a Democrat is doing it. It’s the classic “Democrats can do Republican policy better” stupidity.
Yeah, though I wouldn’t say that ML falls into this category generally. It’s more specifically about the farther extreme end that is usually relegated to Hexbear and beyond that start to fall into the “so left they practically loop back to the other end of the spectrum” group. There are those amongst that group that have no problems with harassment or transphobia or anything else so long as they deem the target as having failed their purity test and therefore being nothing but capitalist scum who deserve everything they get.
I think generally horseshoe theory is silly, but there is too much authoritarianism that leads into missing the point of your goals, it’s why I can’t stand any version of ML but Cuba, as generally they do have elections and people there are vocally active and they LGBT rights, (while making the best out of their little resources!!!) while China on the other hand has given up on communism and became a capitalist country basically, Russia literally is a “liberal (formerly) ‘democracy,’” North Korea is a fiefdom owned by a guy obsessed about power and Macs, and other such failures. I think any ML that wants to be taken seriously and not be seen as a drooling bootlicker of the USSR needs to at least accept that the system they push can fail easily in its goals due to its authoritarianism.
I agree, in general I believe that any system is vulnerable to the human element and not some kind of horseshoe theory. But in this case I am specifically using ML to refer to users of lemmy.ml and how they’re not as extreme as Hexbear users, a number of whom basically could have turned into MAGA followers if they hadn’t gotten into socialism first. Very similar behavior and rhetoric from some of the users on that instance. Socialists can be just as pro-authoritarian as fascists can, and just because they’re racist against Western Europeans instead of Asians doesn’t mean that they aren’t racist.