I am seeing this pattern a lot lately, whenever a person disagrees strongly or expresses conservative/right wing views, they are told to go back to reddit.

You can say ‘Don’t bring these bullshit views to the fediverse,’ or something of that sort. I am a reddit refugee myself, and part of the Reddit API exodus. Being told to go someplace I just left due to ethical reasons feels bad. So, I want to understand why it is being used as a retort. Is it really rude, or am I making a fuss out of nothing?

Edit 1: I am NOT defending conservative views, I think that they should not be given a platform in the fediverse. I am questioning how telling them to go back to reddit is a valid response.

Edit2 : Edited the the title to better represent my question.

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    Reddit has produced a certain culture, many spam bots, toxic fights, that is disliked by many on lemmy.

    So telling them to “go back to reddit” means he is identified as part of that system that made reddit bad?

    This ignores the part that reddit the company created the environment that users have to navigate in.

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    Idk man, Lemmy is defacto a pretty lefty space, so I think it’s just a lazy way to tell someone to fuck off. I wouldn’t worry about it too much, because while I find it unproductive it’s just words on the Internet at the end of the day.

    But if you feel there needs to be a corner of Lemmy where that’s not tolerated you can always try building it yourself. I honestly think that could be a good thing.

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    Conservative/right-wing views have absolutely nothing to do with it in my books.

    This is a smaller community with seemingly slightly more accountability, or at a minimum, decency and respect for our fellow humans and internet citizens. The majority of the animals on reddit because behave like 10 year olds in a COD lobby - hiding behind internet anonymity to act like complete assholes, and be as rude and disrespectful as they possibly can, because they believe there will be no consequences.

    When I see someone behaving like that, seemingly unable to carry on a civil conversation, I do not hesitate to suggest that they go back to Reddit if they’re going to behave like those people. We do NOT want this community to devolve to that level. It is not a serious suggestion that they return there - it’s more so an invitation to examine their behavior, and maybe take a step back, and look at this community overall vs. that community overall, and give some consideration to maybe behaving like a mature adult instead. Spelling it out that way when dealing with those kinds of people typically just encourages them to double down though, so it gets wrapped up in that little retort instead.

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      This is a smaller community with seemingly slightly more accountability, or at a minimum, decency and respect for our fellow humans and internet citizens. The majority of the animals on reddit because behave like 10 year olds in a COD lobby - hiding behind internet anonymity to act like complete assholes, and be as rude and disrespectful as they possibly can, because they believe there will be no consequences.

      https://lemmy.world/comment/22432016

      Microsoft locked down their Discord server because people were being griefers with constantly using Microslop. I got called a shill and on Microsoft’s payroll because I didn’t defend/celebrate that behavior. I try to not bad-mouth a company on their “premises” and if I do and then get kicked out then I shouldn’t blame the company for doing so. I don’t have a right to be a jerk to “them” on their property, even if it’s not to an actual person.

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      If you want to invite them to reexamine their behavior… Actually do that, not the other more aggressive, offensive, and immature thing… Then play it off as something more.

      ‘fuck you!’

      ‘fuck me?’

      ‘no, no, that’s not what I meant!’

      Just say what you actually meant!

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    Define right wing because the last time I used that insult, it was against users spamming DNC propaganda lol

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    whenever a person disagrees strongly or expresses conservative/right wing views

    That makes sense. Usually the people who get mad when someone isn’t loyal to their cause is unhinged with delusions of grandeur.

    The Fediverse is for everyone.

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    Speaking as a punk, it’s about keeping a community a healthy, welcoming place for the 99% of people who aren’t assholes. There’s a reason why we say ‘Nazi punks fuck off.’ It’s not just a slogan or part of a song, it’s a declaration that this house will not be used as a gathering place for people who want to tear it down.

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          You people like crying “nazi!” every time someone disagrees with you on a political issue so you can silence them.

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            The statement you replied to was specifically about Nazi punks a well documented issue? Are you fucking illiterate?

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              The problem is that people like you will lie about who is a nazi in order to silence them. This, in turn, devolves into a culture of “agree with me or leave.”

              Are you fucking illiterate?

              Lol, irony.

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                Who is people like me? Non whites? Who have I called a nazi? You replied to a post about nazi punks (a hyper well documented phenomenon) and how punks have to make it clear they are not welcome much like bars to avoid becoming nazi bars. What is your point? Nazis should be welcome? Because your spiel about mislabeling isn’t relevant.

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                  Because your spiel about mislabeling isn’t relevant.

                  Except it is. If people didn’t regularly do what I’m accusing them of, then you’d have a point.

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    I mean, it’s intended to be an insult because the implication is that Reddit sucks.

    I personally never understood the “Redditor” insults.

    Reddit is just a forum directory with an infinite feed. You can find cringey weirdos but there’s also subreddits for potted plants, chess, home improvement, etc. which are pretty mundane and low drama.

    I left Reddit for similar reasons, but I still use it sometimes for troubleshooting and advice in the IT/Programming space.

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    Short answer? It’s normally used against conservatives, but cliques and purity politics (both literal politics and not) do come into play on occasion.

    Longer answer: Lemmy was originally founded by a bunch of Marxist-Leninists and socialists of similar stripes (that’s what the .ml stands for), and early adopters often made up some form of minority group/outcast - LGBTQ and the like. This has led to a very zero tolerance policy towards conservative “talking points” and the usual bag of tricks that they employ when attempting to colonize an area/group. Especially as Reddit has further enshitified, but even before then Redditors were generally thought of more in terms of r/the_Donald subscribers rather than as disparate groups from across the political spectrum.

    There are of course the “joined Lemmy before it was cool” groups who resent the growing popularity of the platform - especially after the Reddit API exodus that brought you and me here - but I think they’re largely relegated to the parts of Lemmy that most of the instances defederated from. Some of those places are basically the leftist equivalent of 4chan, and would absolutely use it as an insult if you failed their political belief purity tests.

    In short, basically everybody would use it for a Trumper, but a small few might use it on me if I were to say something like that I think that dbzer0’s support of genAI inherently makes the instance pro-corporatism so long as they’re the ones benefitting from stealing labor from workers, and an even smaller few would probably use it simply because I started using Lemmy during the Reddit API fiasco.

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      Longer answer: Lemmy was originally founded by a bunch of Marxist-Leninists and socialists of similar stripes (that’s what the .ml stands for)

      Technically .ml stands for Mali, and was chosen because the domain is cheap. Ended up being a bit of a funny coincedence.

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    Redditors self-police their speech to fall in the window of acceptable debate. They are deeply brainwashed but have no idea of it because Reddit moderators ban anything not deemed “acceptable speech” by their media overlords. Hence they will spam the term “tankie” if someone for example tells them that killing the Iranian leader will only end up like killing Saddam in Iraq.

    In the wise words of pedo-Zionist:

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        Chomsky famously hated Marxists and never bothered to study Marxism enough to understand what dialectical materialism means. For a scholar who made a career of shitting on socialism in real life, this alone should tell you how unserious he is.

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          Ooooh I wanna try this.

          Kill Slave Owners.

          Murder Slave Owner.

          Absolutely turbo murder kill slave owners in real life no cap.

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        It’s not if you know the forbidden Reddit terms. Try saying anything anti-Zionist on mainstream Reddit subs and you are banned in half a second by automated bots.

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          That actually got me a temp ban here once, as well.

          It was even a nuanced “both sides are human” take, not Hamas is awesome. I know, I wasn’t expecting it for that either.

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            “Nuanced” Both sidesing in the face of a genocide? Condemning the oppressors and oppressed in equal measure? Do you not see the issue with that?

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                Both sidesing genocide is still bad even if you are “debunking” hard-line pro genociders. If your position is anything short of Israel shouldn’t exist it’s liberal Zionism. You should have nothing but support for the liberation movements of oppressed nations even if they don’t fit your pr standard.

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                  Sure. Please explain that to whichever mod is the Zionist. Maybe I’ll actually speak out against it again, then.