Whenever media, politicians, people or even the police complain about dangerous cyclists, with their reckless driving, without a helmet, without a light, please remember it is a distraction. They don’t want you to know the truth, because they love their cars more than the neighbors children.
I kindly ask you to remind them of this table whenever the topic comes up. For example: ‘yes, cyclists should have a light to reduce danger, but remember that the car is the bigger danger by far. Always. And whenever we ignore that, we accept the loss of lives.’ This is not whataboutism, because regarding safety, the numbers clearly show which culprit to urgently address first.
Even if the car was more dangerous in the past and safety regulations have helped: these numbers are from 2022. If you feel safer driving in a car, instead of walking or cycling: look for the deaths for car-on-car collisions.
There is no way around this: if we have that many cars driving fast, we will have that many deaths.
Thank you!
Sources:
similar matrix but for cities only
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500 deaths by bicycle x no other vehicle makes a strong case for wearing a helmet
In fairness, without further detail than this chart, it’s a bit nuanced. Even the simple figure of 1 death in 82,000 riders I wouldn’t say makes a strong case for all those millions of people buying and wearing a helmet.
If it came to be that those 500 were doing speed rather than leisurely riding, then my takeaway would be if you’re moving quick, don the protective gear. Likewise, if it were the case that the 500 were riding in shared modality areas, my interpretation would be to put the helmet on when leaving the segregated infrastructure.
It would be unexpected to learn those deaths happened mostly on protected infrastructure by commuters or similar. Either way, while I disagree and don’t think this data provides a significant reason to wear a helmet, I am still surprised how many people go without in Europe. Cheap ones can be uncomfortable, sure, but many mediocre helmets are fine. Maybe it’s a style thing, or disdain for helmet hair? I haven’t the foggiest idea.
I wanna hear the story of the bus occupant that died in a collision with a bicycle. Also the two people in a heavy vehicle who died hitting a pedestrian. Maybe the pedestrian caused the accident by running into traffic and the truck hit a wall trying to avoid them?
As much as I hate cars for environemental reasons and for the lacke of quality experience in transit and its overall unreliability (being stuck on the side of the rode). Its the fact that the biggest chance of me hurting or being hurt by people is by driving or being a passenger in a car. Honestly its hard to say which is higher on my list. The enviroment or the chance of harming folks. The rest is not far behind though.
It’s all in the name of harm. You can probably group the reasons for the broader picture.
yeah its basically hate the harm which covers both then the unreliability. if a bus breaks down I get on the next bus. and lastly the general quality. even with public transit im walking or biking a bit between. Was using a folder with my transit system for awhile and it was amazing even though the folder is kinda pants vs a real bike. wish I had the money to grap a full size folder or a big fish.
A truck driver was killed by hitting a pedestrian? Who the hell did he hit?
er… yeah that looks weird. I think the truck was only the main vehicle in a crash. Read the little description underneath. There could have been another vehicle involved, which killed the truck driver, maybe?
The most dangerous pedestrian of all, of course.
the larger trucks get the more they are easily messed up and also they will try (well hopefully) to swearve. Its also why thier numbers jump so much with cars as there are so many of them.
Unknown hit Unknown 19 times… how do they know?
I’d guess they know how many people died, even if there is no police report. Or even if the culprit fled from the crime scene. There is a url to the study.
Pedestrian on Pedestrian being 0 seems wrong. Wouldn’t that be pretty much any murder that isn’t vehicular?
this is about road traffic. I am sure murder goes into an other statistic.
I guess it was also in the EU so they didn’t register Cletus and Leeroy down at the trailer park who died when they decided to run head first into each other. 🤷♂️
I’m here to ask the grand question yet again:
Is that the raw deaths per vehicle, or does it equalize relative vehicle popularity?
I assume that there are a fair bit more cars on the roads than there are motorbikes, which means that we would not be able to compare them otherwise. Unless, of course, if one simply is trying to sow discord.
Is that the raw deaths per vehicle, or does it equalize relative vehicle popularity?
There is a URL to the study. Let us know what you find.
I assume that there are a fair bit more cars on the roads than there are motorbikes, which means that we would not be able to compare them otherwise.
I think i saw somewhere that motorbikes are more deadly relatively, but mostly to their own rider.
Unless, of course, if one simply is trying to sow discord.
Do you mean me? Because i don’t have numbers on motorbikes?
Yes, I did indeed read the study - even before I posted my rhetorical question - which appears to be the raw numbers.
And are you trying to tell me, that you do not have the raw numbers of motorbike-related accidents in relation to car-related accidents according to the European Commission for 2022? I find that hard to believe.
EDIT: My bad, you meant the numbers of vehicles needed to equalize the raw numbers. Plus, the graph appears to already take relative popularity into account with the reversed relations.
But that doesn’t fit the narrative
I’m not an enemy of the cause, but this graphic is not very convincing. These are absolute numbers, not adjusted for the fact there are significantly more cars around than bikes.
At least here are some numbers https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=File%3ATravel_distance_per_person_per_day_by_main_travel_mode_for_urban_mobility_on_all_days_(%25)_v3.png
Travel distance per person per day by main travel mode for urban
But then obviously pedestrians or cyclists don’t compare in distance by far. Cars drive autobahns and whatnot. There should be a statistic for daily use instead. Like: ride the bike to work versus drive the car to work versus take the train to work, etc. How many people die?
there are significantly more cars around than bikes.
I see what you mean and agree, that relative numbers would be nice. But what would the counter argument be? That if there were more bikes, then bike-related deaths would rise more than car-related deaths would shrink? It would be hard to prove that.
Also, the matrix for cities still shows cars as a much bigger problem, while European cities have plenty of cyclists. Again, relative numbers would be nice. Or a comparison between a dutch city and a polish city, for example. But if i compare both tables (overall vs cities), i am certain the argument holds.
Better regulate e-bikes!!
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